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As i understand it, in America you can not be part of their military if you are gay. This is why they have the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. So long as no one knows your gay, you can be in the military.

Personally, i am all in favour of gays being in th emilitary if they want to fight for their country. Better them if they want to, then me who doesn't want to. If their is a war id be off to Canada or Switzerland or where ever i could get away to in a heart beat if there was mandatory service.

What do you all think of Gays in the military?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The same as anyone else in the military. If that's their chosen proffesion then fair play to them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    why would a person answer anyway?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sexuality shouldn't prohibit you to join the army. There are heteros that are more sissy than gays.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nero (I think) used to have a legion of gays. They fought like hell to defend their partners.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    From the squaddies I've met... If I were a gay man, joining the army would be a death wish.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    a bullet from a pretty blue gun ...just as lethal.

    if the powers that be in yankyland don't like woofters ...why not send 'em all to iraq?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It must be great for a gay guy in the army tho, seriously, close communal living and all that
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    waster wrote:
    It must be great for a gay guy in the army tho, seriously, close communal living and all that
    :eek2:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    waster wrote:
    It must be great for a gay guy in the army tho, seriously, close communal living and all that

    That's one reason for the banning of gays from the army. If I could live communally with loads of young women, get to touch them up as part of training and see them naked, then i'd be signing up tomorrow.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    piccolo wrote:
    Nero (I think) used to have a legion of gays. They fought like hell to defend their partners.

    I think you might be thinking of the ancient Greeks, rather than the Romans.

    But you've also pointed out one of the flaws. Soldiers shouldn't be out to protect their partners - but to achieve their objectives, even if it means leaving their partner bleeding to death on the floor.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    waster wrote:
    It must be great for a gay guy in the army tho, seriously, close communal living and all that

    :rolleyes:

    Because they automatically fancy everyone lese there, right...

    It's that kind of thinking which leads to small minded policies like this.
    NQA wrote:
    Soldiers shouldn't be out to protect their partners

    Erm.. isn't that what they are doing, isn't that their role ;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but to achieve their objectives, even if it means leaving their partner bleeding to death on the floor.

    Rough stuff, eh?

    Them greeks!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :rolleyes:



    Erm.. isn't that what they are doing, isn't that their role ;)
    no ...he's right.
    their aim is to complete their task ....their objective.
    if everytime a soldier went down his mates stopped fighting to make sure he was ok ...it would be a bad fucking army.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nah, I mean in the "One Two Three... what are we fighting for" sense...
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,269 Skive's The Limit
    How many sex scandals have you seen involving women in the military. Quite a few. I woudl have thought similar situations could arise with gay soldiers.

    I think front line troops could do without those extra complications, especially when lives are involved.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote:
    How many sex scandals have you seen involving women in the military. Quite a few. I woudl have thought similar situations could arise with gay soldiers.

    I think front line troops could do without those extra complications, especially when lives are involved.

    I wouldn't say sex scandals s the problem... But more that the gay person would probably be the victim of violence and bullying.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not if they joined Para Mortar platoon :D , other way round then.
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  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,269 Skive's The Limit
    The ones I read about usually involve women being raped or abused by their male colleagues

    I've read about all sorts and yes rape is one of them. Whatever's involved in these scandals it's can you not see how it would compicate things and possibly be dangerous in combat situations
    I'd say it's the men who need to be removed if they can't treat their colleagues with basic decency, not the women (if that's what you were implying).

    You suggest we remove straight men from the military?
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ban armies, much better idea
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    (I don't actually think that anyone should be banned from the forces.)

    I do. The forces aren't there to look after the nation's waifs and strays but in the last resort to defend the country at the cost of their lives.

    Also knowing some details of at least some of the cases reported by the press they are seldom as black and white as they appear.

    I know of one case where a woman complained she'd been bullied, because an NCO yelled at her 'Don't fucking stand there like a cunt, go and get some help' when she was standing gawping at a one of her colleagues who just fallen from a wall and broken his leg. And another case where a young recruit complained because his section commander had told him 'That was the worse cup of tea I've ever tasted'.

    There may be a thin line between bullying, harrasment and toughening people up, but it is there and it is needed.
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,269 Skive's The Limit
    NQA wrote:
    I do.

    So do I.

    Our soldiers have to be totally focused on the job, and have to have complete trust in one another to work effectively in combat situations.

    There's no doubt that woman and gay men could complicate this.

    As far as I'm concerned when lives are at stake, equality and politics has to take a back seat.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote:

    Our soldiers have to be totally focused on the job, and have to have complete trust in one another to work effectively in combat situations.
    which is why it is/would be a good thing that they don't have to lie about parts of their lives.
    There's no doubt that woman and gay men could complicate this.
    but gays are allowed in the UK military, and women in the US. Let alone different ethnic groups, religions...
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,269 Skive's The Limit
    but gays are allowed in the UK military, and women in the US. Let alone different ethnic groups, religions...

    Who's talking about ethnic groups and religion?

    The fact is that woman and gay men throw in extra complications where there should be none.

    With just straight men there's you'll avoid sex scandals, relationships amongst soldiers and the problems these relationships cause, and you'll also avoid a lot of bullying and abuse.

    If you think the added risks these problems may bring in comabt situations, are worth it for a little bit of equality then fair enough. I don't.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    either way sex is brought in the miltary, if there gay or not, you think miltary guys when they do over seas dont get any!? So using sex as an excuse for gays not to be in military is silly.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have no issue with gays in the army whatsoever. There's no evidence they'd be worse soldiers so good luck to them.


    Just don't go suing the MoD when you get killed.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Unsurprisingly it's the people who probably have most army potential who oppose them joining, those with the least support the idea.

    There's an ideal world and there's a practical world. In the practical world, it's going to cause problems. Undoubtedly there are gays who would make good soldiers, but the potential for disruption is just too much.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    Unsurprisingly it's the people who probably have most army potential who oppose them joining, those with the least support the idea.

    What? Did they do a survey or something?

    To be honest if you're in a career where lives are at stake then you should be a professional. Personal prejudice or sexual distractions don't come into it.

    There was the same sort of arguments when the U.S. was desegregating their army ... causes complications, ingrained prejudice weakened their fighting efficiency etc. Its bollocks.

    At the end of the day if someone fits the fitness requirement and wants to sign up then they should be allowed.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How will gay people put others off the job?
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