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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If the women are perfectly happy to put themselves in these magazines then it's fine with me.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think they're crap generally. Every section in these magazines is done much better elsewhere (I refuse to watch any film that puts a quote from Loaded in their trailer). I suppose they're just harmless fun, but I wouldn't want to pay over £3 for the privilage of reading 'how a man should act'. :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    And you think lads mags present some sort of subliminal messages that girls are mere objects...if I'm gawking at a half naked girl on a magazine page, I'm not thinking of how the female species is being presented and how I should treat them...it's just a bit of sleaze, people are capable of making their own decisions on women.

    What on earth are you on about?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    noog wrote:
    I sometimes flick through FHM at the barbers, That's all they have, but I cant see much wrong with it.

    My sister hads loads of interesting books with titles such as "How to spot a bastard from his star-sign" etc.. :no:


    That's my favourite astrological read ever. I make a point of living by it. It is to astrology what Atkins was to dieting. A really profound read (honestly) and an eerily accurate giggle. I suggest you all read it. Especially you Aries and Pisces bastards (just joking but they get the most scathing write ups!)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I don't think that objectifying women and presenting them merely as objects for teenage boys to wank over is a particularly healthy state of affairs.

    This is the main problem that I have with the media in general, and particular with the lads mags.

    They are presented as a bit of fun, and superficially they are. They're a good laugh, birds, beer, footy and cars. All fun hobbies.

    But the message behind them is a bit more sinister, IMHO. They do objectify women as just another accessory- got the Stella, got the Predator boots, got the TVR, got the bird with big tits. They market themselves as respectable reading material but they are more pornographic than many "top shelf" magazines.

    Superficially they are just a good giggle, but if you scratch the surface you find something that perpetuates women as just another accessory. In its place that's fine, but my concern is that it teaches boys who are very suspetible to media propaganda that it is acceptable behaviour to consider women as just another must-have accessory. They teach that its important to be seen with the "right brand" of woman, and I think that's really unhealthy.

    As much as they undermine women, they also undermine men. If a young man is repeatedly told that only one type of girlfriend is acceptable, and only one type of relationship is acceptable, then quite quickly the unrealistic fantasy becomes an unrealistic ambition. If you have unrealistic ambitions of what relationships are like, you're on a one-way road to depression and disullusionment.

    1983, I don't think it is "square" to be concerned by the messages that come along with the laughs.

    All "laddism" does is create an "us versus them" attitude between the genders.
    The objectification of women makes men depressed and unhappy.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    spot on kermit
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You know, I never realised that I find beautiful women more attractive than ugly ones just because of the media. :rolleyes:

    Bollocks. Men want the best looking woman they can get. Always have done, always will do.
    As much as they undermine women, they also undermine men. If a young man is repeatedly told that only one type of girlfriend is acceptable, and only one type of relationship is acceptable, then quite quickly the unrealistic fantasy becomes an unrealistic ambition. If you have unrealistic ambitions of what relationships are like, you're on a one-way road to depression and disullusionment.

    Unrealistic expectations abound on this I do agree. It's a general fault with people. Perfection is not only seen as desirable, but actually normal, and anyone who doesn't just do everything perfectly right away is somehow "wrong". It applies to all fields in our culture, not just the media.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Missing the point as usual I see klintock.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    klintock wrote:
    You know, I never realised that I find beautiful women more attractive than ugly ones just because of the media. :rolleyes:



    The point is defining beautiful in such a narrow and unrealistic way.

    Lads mags, and the media in general, go beyond saying "this girl is pretty". They market women as an accessory, and to be a proper man you have to have the right brand of woman. That isn't healthy, as you say yourself.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I am sorry.

    I didn't get your point.

    That was your fault.

    Try harder.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They're a load of shite.

    One week: "Top 50 Bikini Babes!!!"
    Next week: "Top 50 High-street Honeys!!!"
    Next Week: "Top 50 Blondes!!!"
    You get the point.

    What a load of repetitive shite, and yes, they do objectify women.

    That said it's a bit hypocritical of me, as theres always a copy (bought by flatmate) on my bathroom floor to mindlessly flick through while relaxing on the throne.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    By the sounds of things my opinion seems like it's going to go against the board regulars view, but if we could refrain from the curt exchange of non-views that normally happen and actually have a "debate", I’m more than willing to listen to the counter arguments.

    I think that once you take your eyes of the page and look out of your window you can't help but see the world isn't like the one the magazines purport to. You see that every women isn't some perfect 10 air brushed beauty and that the interactions you have with people every day don't even nearly compare to the lifestyle image that is promoted in the mags. It's a little bit of harmless escapism as far as I’m concerned. I find women beautiful and if the girls in question are willing to show their bodies off for my viewing pleasure I certainly don’t need my fragile little mind protecting from visual pleasures of the flesh.

    If the argument against them is to protect people from warped perceptions of reality then IMO you are patronising people and insinuating they are unable to think for themselves. I don’t particularly like the Daily Mail, but I also credit people with the ability to make judgment calls.

    I won’t argue it wouldn't be nice if I walked out to go to work one day and some buxom beauty was liberally soaping herself (and my car if she was going to do a decent job) up, but I also live in the real world. :p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    addicted7 wrote:
    That said it's a bit hypocritical of me, as theres always a copy (bought by flatmate) on my bathroom floor to mindlessly flick through while relaxing on the throne.
    you sure its for relaxing on the throne? :rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    What on earth are you on about?

    I'm just trying to say just because lads look at mags that objectify women doesn't actually mean the lads are going to objectify them themselves.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think that once you take your eyes of the page and look out of your window you can't help but see the world isn't like the one the magazines purport to. You see that every women isn't some perfect 10 air brushed beauty and that the interactions you have with people every day don't even nearly compare to the lifestyle image that is promoted in the mags.

    I'm not saying its wrong to like looking at gorgeous women in bikinis, or that a bit of escapism is unhealthy, but what magazines do is go beyond that.

    The point isn't showing off some fit bird in her birthday suit. To argue that it is misses the point entirely.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    I'm just trying to say just because lads look at mags that objectify women doesn't actually mean the lads are going to objectify them themselves.

    Although, a lot do. Go to any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night. Talk to your female friends - all of mine have stories to tell of lads thinking its OK to grope them or make comments on how they look.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Although, a lot do. Go to any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night. Talk to your female friends - all of mine have stories to tell of lads thinking its OK to grope them or make comments on how they look.

    Yeh but they're just conforming to some sort of "lad culture" that I bet in reality aren't really like that, it's like a load of "chavs" walking about in chav clothing, they're not really hardmen.

    The people that do this sort of stuff are more than likely the same people that'll end up meeting their future wife in a pub and she'll not be some blonde bimbo but a normal bird, and I'm sure the same people will treat that wife with respect.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What its it that makes some men think that its OK to grope women without permission?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    What its it that makes some men think that its OK to grope women without permission?

    I already said, lad culture. It'll pass I'm sure.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    I already said, lad culture.

    Lad culture which objectifies women.
    turlough wrote:
    It'll pass I'm sure.

    It was happening a long time before the rise of "lad culture" in the 90's.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Lad culture which objectifies women.

    It was happening a long time before the rise of "lad culture" in the 90's.

    And girl power which demeans men, just a phase.

    Are you trying to say there's a direct correlation between lads mags and women being groped without permission or something :confused:
  • SkiveSkive No discipline. No morality. No respect. New ForestPosts: 15,269 Skive's The Limit
    Lads like to look at good looking semi naked/naked ladies, it's nice. Pin ups, page three, strippers etc are nothing new.
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Although, a lot do. Go to any town centre on a Friday or Saturday night. Talk to your female friends - all of mine have stories to tell of lads thinking its OK to grope them or make comments on how they look.


    happens both ways - strangely people only complain when they dont find the person the best looking......

    its wrong yes, but a slap sets most pervs off from my experience :blush:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    you sure its for relaxing on the throne? :rolleyes:

    Yes.

    And if I'm picking up on your suggestion that I use it for other purposes then you're mistaken. I rarely even look at the girl pages, just the mindless readable pub fact type stuff.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i like lads mags (the only ones i've really seen are FHM and Nuts). they have jokes and funny articles in as opposed to the tripe about 'how to get your man back' that some of the girl mags have in them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    And girl power which demeans men, just a phase.

    How so?
    turlough wrote:
    Are you trying to say there's a direct correlation between lads mags and women being groped without permission or something :confused:

    No.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Skive wrote:
    Lads like to look at good looking semi naked/naked ladies, it's nice. Pin ups, page three, strippers etc are nothing new.

    Granted. However, presenting women as sex objects first and foremost, denying that they have subjective experience is not healthy.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    happens both ways - strangely people only complain when they dont find the person the best looking......

    Absolute crap.
    its wrong yes, but a slap sets most pervs off from my experience :blush:

    What about a woman who isn't confident enough to slap? Or has been sexually abused in the past? Is that OK?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    How so?

    So you've never seen a group of girls mouth off about how bad men are and saying all that "girl power" stuff.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    turlough wrote:
    So you've never seen a group of girls mouth off about how bad men are and saying all that "girl power" stuff.

    What "girl power" stuff? You mean the Spice Girls? Come on...
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