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This is a total misunderstanding of what socialism means
They are two very distinct idealogies, no matter what similarities there appear to be on the surface.
This is a total misunderstanding of what socialism means. Socialism is first and foremost about having a class analysis of society - something that the likes of the BNP most definitely don't have. In fact, fascism historically has been about merging the power of the state and the corporation. Whereas, socialism has been about the working class taking over the state (or getting rid of it completely). They are two very distinct idealogies, no matter what similarities there appear to be on the surface. Only the politically naive and ill-informed suggest that the likes of the BNP are left wing.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
And as usual, your post bears little relation to the rest of the thread.
Errrr...no. For the reasons already stated. Its not enough to look at their policies - you have to look at the ideology that informs those policies. You also have to look at those policies in relation to their other policies. In the BNP's case, it has a distinctly fascist flavour - most definitely not left wing.
Although fascism began as a left wing ideology.
The first Fascist programme officially adopted in June 1919 was very left wing. The programme demanded universal suffrage from 18 for all including women, an electoral system based on PR, a lowering of the minimum age of deputies from 31 to 25, abolition of the monarchy/upper house, the Senate and hereditary titles; Chamber of Deputies to form a National Assembly which would decide what form of government should emerge from a Fascist revolution; a maximum eight hour working day; worker’s representation in the management of industry; confiscation of 85% of war profits (Profits made by industry during WWI), confiscation of ecclesiastical property/land from the rich and a progressive tax on capital.
Get over yourself
While it may be true that some socialists tried to find a "third way", to describe fascism as beggining from left wing ideology would be entirely wrong. It actually grew from opposition to communism and gained massive support from capitalists, the church and land owners.
And like FTP you're missing the point - the BNP are not socialist, but it could certainly be argued that some of their policies are left wing
The Labour Party is not left wing - they are centre right.
Only in comparison to the extreme left.
If you'd bothered to read my earlier posts you might have a better idea that I don't think its a class based analysis of economics (though it can be).
Yes, thats why New Labour are in the process of privatising the NHS by the backdoor (PFI), privatising the tube in London by the backdoor (PPP), looking at privatising the prisons and the benefits service and deregulating industry.
While minimum wage has benefitted some people, it has also had the effect of actually driving wages down in a lot of industries. They did not introduce minimum wage because its a good socialist thing to do. They intoroduced it and set it at such a low value because actually it can have the effect of benefitting business and capital. All these are the actions of a centre right government who are actually just carrying on the neo-liberalist project started by Thatcher and Reagan
Except they're not are they? People have been claiming NHS is about to be privatised since 1952. The PFI isn't privatisation, but about using private funds in the public sector. I'm not a 100% supporter of PFI, but it is not privatisation
I never said they introduced minimum wage because it socialist. Socialism and left-wing are two seperate things - socialists are left-wing economics, but you can be left wing and not a socialist. You seem to be off the beleif that you can only be left wing if you follow an ideologically pure vision at the extreme. I disagree and think left wing is a line from moderates, who believe in a mixed economy to the absolute socialists who do not support any private ownership of anything.