Born Gay?

Former Member · November 2005

Teagan wrote:

But if they are both straight, that is still a 'shared' sexuality. Do you mean that only 1 in 5 sets of twins had one being gay?

I thought that "studies on gay men with fraternal twins" was quite clear; perhaps not. Only in 1 of 5 sets of non-identical twins where one member was gay was the other memer gay - this pretty much rules out the "levels of hormones" proposal, as the babies float in the same amniotic fluid, and are thus exposed to the same environment. an Identical twin has approximately 50% chance of shareing the gay twins sexuality - this suggests a strong genetic element, although it could be related to a developmental issue with the egg

Also, by the by, 1991 is quite a long time ago

sTfU n00b!

... there has been a lot of ground breaking research into sexual matters since then .. well worth investigating.

I'm sure there is, but unless it discredits the findings mentioned it is pretty irrelevant. personally I don't care for the WHY, I simply object to people saying "this is why", when it is far from clear

Former Member · November 2005

Carriage Return wrote:

sTfU n00b!

Anyway, moving along, I tend to agree with you anyway ... :thumb:

Former Member · November 2005

I heard thatif your motherplays too much Abba around you when you're in the womb... You turn out gay.

Former Member · November 2005

Teagan wrote:

Carriage Return wrote:

sTfU n00b!

Thats how I cheer myself up whenever one of you heartless youngsters makes me feel old :razz:

-[MoonRat]- wrote:

I heard thatif your motherplays too much Abba around you when you're in the womb... You turn out gay.

sTfU n00b!

:D

Former Member · November 2005

Yeah, i agree. have no control over who i am attracted to or who i love. you dont control who they fall in love with. It just happens.

Former Member · November 2005

J wrote:

Well, I'm a bit of an odd case because I can chose - switch on or off those places in my mind to make me either damn straight or gay...
Having said that there was always the doubt in my mind growing up not quite knowing, searching myself for the answers, I guess hearing about other gay people led me to do such a search and I kind of found it, although I'm sure most people have a slight grey area in them like that and when you find it it's hard to know what to do with it... Personaly I chose to do some experiementing (why shouldn't I? it's my body) but now I have chosen... I like the idea that I can choose such a thing...

You don't sound that odd. Perhaps you are looking to deep. It seems to me that you are bisexual?

Former Member · November 2005

i hate the idea that being gay or straight is a choice that we make. if i had to choose what i wanted to be, i would choose to be straight, any day, because life would be so much easier. but i'm not straight, and so the only choice i face is whether to take the courage to admit who i am to the world or to live a lie.

when the christian right talk about 'converting' people so that they are straight, they mean only that they have shoved these people straight back into the closet, and forced them through guilt and scaremongering to live a lie for the rest of their lives.

presenting sexuality as a choice is merely propaganda to justify prejudice.

Former Member · November 2005

I apologise if this has been said already - i haven't read the rest of the thread, only the first few threads.

Throughout history people like the Greeks and Romans CHOSE to have gay relationships, because they didn't want to father children outside their marriages, and because it was almost the done thing then. Men had a wife, and outside that he had young men to satisfy his sexual needs. It's (as far as I gather) only with the dawning of Christianity that being gay has become unfashionable.

My best friend is gay, and I'm certainly not sure that he chose it. It would have been much easier for him to have only had straight relationships, but in the end he couldn't deny it. From scientific studies, I feel that people don't choose to be gay, they either are or they aren't (or they're bisexual, but I don't know anything about the scientific studies that have been conducted on that). The brain structure of gay men is apparently significantly different to those of straight men.

Former Member · November 2005

If gays choosed to be gay then straights choosed to be straight. By the logic of course.

I certainly don't remember having a dilemma whether I wanted to be gay or straight, I just liked girls from the start and I'm sure it's the same for gays.

Former Member · December 2005

This all of course assumes the categorisation of a persons sexual orientation as being gay, straight, bi or otherwise. Sexuality I believe is socialised to a great extent and not built into our genes it is something, it depends on factors such as; family structure- absent male role model and/or over dominating mothers. It could also centre around confusion over the admiration of same sex peers throughout adolescence as being sexual desire which then manifests itself as an attributing label accepted by that person and then fulfilling the role society expects of him/her.

Former Member · December 2005

waster wrote:

This all of course assumes the categorisation of a persons sexual orientation as being gay, straight, bi or otherwise. Sexuality I believe is socialised to a great extent and not built into our genes it is something, it depends on factors such as; family structure- absent male role model and/or over dominating mothers. It could also centre around confusion over the admiration of same sex peers throughout adolescence as being sexual desire which then manifests itself as an attributing label accepted by that person and then fulfilling the role society expects of him/her.

Bollocks!

Former Member · December 2005

xmizzcattyx wrote:

i hate the idea that being gay or straight is a choice that we make. if i had to choose what i wanted to be, i would choose to be straight, any day, because life would be so much easier. but i'm not straight, and so the only choice i face is whether to take the courage to admit who i am to the world or to live a lie.

when the christian right talk about 'converting' people so that they are straight, they mean only that they have shoved these people straight back into the closet, and forced them through guilt and scaremongering to live a lie for the rest of their lives.

presenting sexuality as a choice is merely propaganda to justify prejudice.

Never knew ya liked ladies.

And I agree... why the hell would somebody choose to be gay?

Be proud of who you are.

Former Member · December 2005

waster wrote:

This all of course assumes the categorisation of a persons sexual orientation as being gay, straight, bi or otherwise. Sexuality I believe is socialised to a great extent and not built into our genes it is something, it depends on factors such as; family structure- absent male role model and/or over dominating mothers. It could also centre around confusion over the admiration of same sex peers throughout adolescence as being sexual desire which then manifests itself as an attributing label accepted by that person and then fulfilling the role society expects of him/her.

Wierd opinion...

Makes no sense. I've known LGBT people from all sorts of backgrounds.

Born Gay?

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