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I wish it wouldn't, the ignore posts ruin the flow of the thread, and it never has any point to make other than the bullying, spiteful and grotesquely stupid anyway. It'd argue black was white if Man of Kent said black was black, that's the level of cretin we have on our hands.
Why isn't it banned yet? Has it bribed JimV? Is it a moderator taking the piss? We should be told.
Ooh lookie look its the other half of the gang come steaming in.
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As to arguing white is black, well, its actually Man of Kent who claims that he likes to play "devils advocate" not me. What I say is what I think. Its more honest like.......
At the end of the day there are nice and not so nice people everywhere.
I'm irritated by christmas lights in public buildings, that good enough for ya?
Or, indeed, the Guardian. Or the BBC.
People read things in the newspaper, and they are entitled to believe there is some truth in it. That's the problem- there always is some truth in it, in amongst the lies and the half-truths.
There are bad people everywhere and there are good people to. Racism come sin all forms. My point is that it is not just whites hating blacks and asians. Have we have seen witht he riots there has been some racial tension building up between black and asian people as well. There is also racism on behalfs of blacks against white people e.g. the Black Panthers. There is also racism between white people. For example, I myself suffered racial taunts for my hertiage from white people even though I am white. When I explained they were actually being racist, they denied it and not just for the sake iof it. They belived their comments were not racist when in fact they were.
Its this kind of thing that should be readressed. Racism is not a one way street.
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Where do you get this from ???
The black panther party for self defence (to give them their full title) were initially formed to protect local communities from police brutality and racism. The group also ran medical clinics and provided free food to school children. Within a couple of years the Black Panthers in Oakland were feeding over 10,000 children every day before they went to school.
Unless you are refering to the tossers calling themselves the 'new black panthers' to read a denouciation of this group from the black panthers themselves go here http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
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They aimed (and succeeded in many instances) to protect their communities from the police by using force (and a legal armed presence where necessary) they did not, however, use anti-white propaganda.
While most of their 10 demands specifically mentioned that they were after rights/reforms for black people, most of them also included other oppressed peoples, or 'all human beings'. They were in no way, as an organisation, antil-white.
http://www.blackpanther.org/TenPoint.htm
E.
Then you know nothing.
And there's nothing wrong with making oppressive regimes give you rights by force.
Oh and if the Black Panthers are this warm, huggy, peaceful, all of us together group then did they oppose martin luther king?
oh and if you take the ten point form their own website as completely neutrqal then I think thats a flaw.
Of course it is. It's the whole earth/sun argument again. In itself it doesn't matter that much. I have no real problem with it at the level of an optional idea that can be discarded at will.
The thing is, it's NOT an optional belief. Some very clever men and women are using it as a pretence to suck up vast wealth for themselves, to murder others and act as masters to everyone "in the country". You owe "tax" because you are in the "country", you must obey because you are in the "country". These are the spiritual decendants of those who used the teachings of the early church to control everyone else.
Tony Blair is the Prime Minister of Great Britain. Except, of course, Great Britain is itself a lie. Everything he has is stolen, everything he says is a lie. This will be true no matter which party gets power, who is in charge or what they plan to do. They might not even know they are lying. What it means is that the people who are "trusted authorities" are at best very poor thinkers and at worst fraudsters.
And where does our "morality" and "law" come come from again?
About the point of other "races" being racist. Of course they are. They are only people after all. Gweilos, eh?
I agree, but people mention racism and automatically associate it as white people against black..................but thats not always the case.
No they weren't peacefull, far from it, no one has ever claimed they were. They fought extreme state violence with the threat of, and with actual, violence when necessary. I guess they opposed Martin Luther King (MLK) as he went into black neighbourhoods to preach a non-violent approach. MLK was therefore against the methods of the black panthers and was activey trying to undermine their efforts. Fair enough it was what he believed. But of course they opposed him.
When I am looking at what a group believe in and are/were fighting for I think that asking them (or in this case looking at their literature) is a pretty good way of doing it. Where would you look A KKK website maybe (that was a joke by the way)
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Oh and I'd look in recorded accounts of actions and speeches ect of the groups activity to decide.
Personally I supported martin luther king's words.
beckyboo - Your right, they do assume that. Thats what I am saying. They shouldn;t do that.
I take your point here (though I would consider their imigration and foreign policy as overtly racist but I realise not everyone would). But you have to look at what is NOT said not only what is said. For instance on the Black panther site I linked earlier on of their ten points is
WE WANT AN IMMEDIATE END TO POLICE BRUTALITY AND MURDER OF BLACK PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE OF COLOR, All OPPRESSED PEOPLE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES.
Now I realise that it does focus on Black people first, then people of colour and then last everyone else. But it DOES include everyone else (who is oppressed). I'm guessing here but I recon that the BNP would say they would improve housing for the working class but would shy away from making statements such as that they would improve housing for ALL the working class (implying minority groups too). Maybe a bad example but I hope you get my drift.
They obviously focused on their own community first. You have to sort your own shit out before moving onto other things. Fair play to them. Better than some bleeding heart middle class liberal who has no idea of the reality of their situation coming along telling them what to do then sodding off when the going gets tough.
Well very good but we're on an internet chat room not writing a PhD
Well that is your right, it doesn't mean that people who hold opposing views are evil racist bastards spreading anti-white propaganda
I don't think I am qualified to denouce the tactics of the Black panthers as I've have never had to endure the sustained violence and discrimination that they did. Never been there. No idea what tactics would work best.
Regards
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For completeness I think I should state that I agree with you on that one :yippe:
Well I do understand the oppression balck people faced over there and can understand their reactions. I don't really like the violent resistance though, even though I grant it may be warrrented in some cases.
Its interesting as most people claim and see the BNP as right wing, when in fact I learned they are a left wing political party and its only their foreign policy that can be seen as on the right.
I guess its all on perception.
It would be interesting to see some white people going to the black panthers and asking for hlep or even asking for membership. I don't remember seeing any white faces when their group has been covered on the news and such, but I don't know, maybe they do have white members.
Oh dear. Look - if you're going to discuss something, at least have an idea of what it is you're on about.
Who the hell told you that? 'cos they're dead wrong. I guess you probably think that the NSDAP were socialist 'cos they were National Socialists?
In what way do you think the BNP is a left wing party?
Fascists cant possibly be left wing!!!!!!!!!!1111oneone :eek: :eek: :eek:
Probably due to their manifesto stating that they are against privatisation etc.
does far worse for race relations than anything else
Some quotes from the BNP election manifesto
A lot of these wouldn't seem out of place in the Respect manifesto
What about residents who work, pay tax and aren't citizens?
It seems to me, that I could find that stuff in a few minutes, any selective presentation of the BNP as being like Wespect is wilful misrepresentation.........
That's not my point. My point is that the terms left wing and right wing are blurred and inexact terms.
The BNP is probably more left wing economically than the Labour Party. It dislikes large companies and capitalism and has a strong 'polluter pays' policy. these are generally not regarded as right wing views
If left wing is support for the individual against the power of the state Boris Johnson is a left-winger and David Blunkett is on the right.
And if you've ever tried to make changes to working practices and come up against the unions you'd see that they are often more reactionary and conservative than any 'disgusted from Tunbridge Wells'.
Do you know anything about the history of fascism? Do you know anything about socialism? Obviously not...
This is a total misunderstanding of what socialism means. Socialism is first and foremost about having a class analysis of society - something that the likes of the BNP most definitely don't have. In fact, fascism historically has been about merging the power of the state and the corporation. Whereas, socialism has been about the working class taking over the state (or getting rid of it completely). They are two very distinct idealogies, no matter what similarities there appear to be on the surface. Only the politically naive and ill-informed suggest that the likes of the BNP are left wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism