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That you once again twist what I have said to you to make yet another misguided rant is no surprise indeed. Nowhere did i say anything about holocaust denial. Go bury your head in your sands of ignorance and stop wasting the time of legitimate discussants here, thanks.
Getting back on topic for a while..... heres what Ari Avnery - veteran Israeli campaigner from Gush Shalom thinks of the Sharon move. (taken from an email)
I think we all know that - some people seem desperate to believe that a war criminal really is a man of peace ............
This topic is now for anyone wanting to talk about Sharon again. I am done with it!
Then again, perhaps it's best you leave this topic to those of us who have spent years, if not decades, researching it. Ciao!
Freep, you might be further interested in the critique endorsed by numerous Israeli scholars called "The Olga Document". Info about it here.
Also important to note Sharon's "Herzliyah Speech" back in 2003 as translated by Uri Avnery...
http://www.arabworldbooks.com/arab/avnery2.htm
About as clear an admission of the true intents of the man to the present day as one could seek.
I would never have though you to be that old with such an immature way of behaving.
"Ciao" indeed.
As for immature, indictments from those who embody their every snide allegation would do well to realise they are ranting into a mirror.
Later, troll!
Hee cheers Clan
I remember seeing it before but had forgotten all about it.
How many people on here fall into the same trap?
:yuck:
There was nothing insidious about my comment. I merely find it somewhat unusual that a 40 year old man happens to use two politics forum that are both aimed at teenagers. I find it quite telling that you've never actually made any serious response to that observation.
Although I do wish to point out that I find your opinions interesting. I remain grateful however that your fellow countrymen of Democratic and Republican persuasion have a far more moderate view of Israel/Palestine.
My fellow countrymen, those that is who masquerade as representatives of both parties, happen to be deeply beholden to powerful Zionist lobbies such as AIPAC and the WZO to maintain their political careers. Obviously you understand as little about the dynamics of US political life as you do the driving forces behind the state of Israel.
As for the grassroots of my country, youll find many (as Ive already pointed out repeatedly) both Jew and non-Jew (individuals and organisations) who eschew Zionism and acknowledge its terrorist, colonialist, ethnocidal legacy from prior to the state's founding to the present day.
Subject, all I and I suspect others here see are your childish rants, void of any "evidence" or supporting references which I and others have willingly supplied to you in the face of your derision and dismissiveness. Pretty clear who needs to take time and reflect on his behaviour in these forums.
Ah, so you see yourself as a teacher then? Educating teenagers on political youth forums about the real truth? Get ‘em while they’re young eh? Not working very well with subject13 though is it?
It's interesting that you make that analogy. Fact is however a good history teacher covering this topic would try their best to be objective, balanced and fair and consider the works of respected mainstream historians in looking at the different arguments. You don't do that and not being a teacher don't have any obligation to.
Going back to my perfectly reasonable question, out of the thousands of politics forums out there can't you see why someone might think it a tad unusual that out of all them you happen to pick two that are aimed at teenagers?
As for your "mainstream" historians, I refer to those not given to endorsing the ideological fables of the Zionist-led status quo. These are more than sufficiently accredited and respected in their field and considerably more faithful to the dictats of scholarship and to the historic record, not to mention more devoted to the aspirations for peace (which will only come when Israel acknowledges its shameful practices and denounces the ideology which has, to this day, desperately sought to perpetuate the dehumanisation of the indigenous peoples of the land).
Those with a real interest in becoming informed, unlike yourself and subject and other past dismissive types we've seen here, will undoubtedly see the desperation of those writers who merely reaffirm the ideolgically-inspired myths propagated by the Israeli state for the self-delusion it is the more they read.
Others will, like yourselves, take the mentally expedient route and resort to denial and irrelevant diversionary retorts. Care to continue the inanity with your newfound counterpart or may we return to the meat of the issue?
So because subject13 and Disillusioned don't conform to your idea of what is justice in the conflict, then they have no interest in becoming informed?
Faur enough, you have your point of view about the happenings - but saying that they have no interest in becoming informed is a downright lie. subject13 has according to his/her own words stated that he/she has read all of your links. Disillusioned came with his sources which he conforms to and is informed by - yet you have the nerve saying that they have no real interest of becoming informed.
Basically what can be gathered is, that people should either conform to your notion or they're wrong.
Arrogance at it's best.
Either way, go on.
This should be interesting.
*http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Udland/2005/11/28/164756.htm
Sorry, it's in Danish. But yeah. The only source I've read on it so far.
Im not interested in comformity, that is already a matter for the status quo to which adherents to Zionist lies do indeed conform. Recognition of those lies and acknowledgement of the true longrunning desperate intentions of the Israeli state is what I argue.
Nice to see you've rushed out of hiding to add your unsurprising quips to the mix Jacq. Been wondering when you'd resurface.
Aw, nice to hear that you've missed me
Truth is that I've had better things to do with my time than reading your unsurprisng quips - Just that it started fucking snowing today, so I am staying in.
You only come here when the weather is too crap outside? Nice
Good to see you again
Hope you're enjoying Sheffield!
J
Truth is relative. And that's what Clandestine continues to dismiss.
Sheffield is awesome. Apart from the weather.
Though I have to admit that I can't wait to get back home. Less than 3 weeks now!
It'll be amazing to see my family and friends again (though I have been lucky, and had both my dad visiting me, as well as 3 friends from back home) and my mom's homecooking! I only learnt how to cook rice and pasta the other week - and I'm in self-catered!
Congrats on your Oxford interview, btw
Bollocks.
Carry on with your wacky discussion. Which i have to agree with you about, is entirely free from facts. "Israel"??? "Palestine"? how about some facts before you start to fall out?
I'll put the kettle on
So, you'd agree its fine to deny the Holocaust would you?
joking
Heheh, this could make it all the more fun.
Let's actuall tell the two countries they don't exist, and therefore why are they disputing over borders which do not exist? At least they'll stop fighting whilst they wonder what the jolly fuck is going on.
Sorry, re-reading it, I understand that my statement is pretty ambiguous. Didn't mean to imply that attrocities don't occur. But rather that there are different opinions on the reasoning and legitimacy behind the conflict.
Most probably like there would be about the Holocaust.
That was what I was trying to hint towards.
Could work though, piss off both sides by insisting on facts so they have a common enemy.
Two sugars, btw.
Thanks - that makes things clearer.
Sometimes opinions can be quite muddled though.
Take Benny the racist.
1) Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians = good.
2) Ethnic cleansing of Jews = bad.