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i stopped reading any further when guess what ...the solution might have to be ...pay them extra money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i realy would not in anyway want to be a part of a society where one of the solutions is to ...'encourage' ...everyone ti have to do some of it!
sounds like a lot of control ...sounds like jail.
Okay, so you believe violence, greed etc are inherent in man regardless of environment? How then can anarchy work without higher authority?
there will be thick people and highly inteligent people.
there will be those who care and those who never will.
there will be killers rapists and murderers.
there will be druggies and drunks.
there will be very religous people and total atheiests ...people who are teachable and people who plainly aren't and never will be.
there will be more people like me who would not want to live in a system where i'm coherced into doing my share of the shitty dirty dangerous and boring work.
cliques will form as they always do ...even on a message board.
these little groups will coherce others into making decisions that suit them.
there will be bullies.
blagstas ideals are of the highest order and highly comendable but ...pipe dreams ...almost religous ...chasing the wind comes to mind.
in an industrial globalised world with a myriad of emotions and ideas ...five billion people are mostly not going to want to live in some planetary commune.
how do you deal wiyth those like me ...who don't want to play?
I agree with most of that.
I would play, but ultimately i reckon i'd end up rushing off seeking glory. People just couldn't resist that opportunity, especially young males.
Hmmmm...good critique there - "its bollocks". Well done. :rolleyes:
No, I didn't say that either. Hint: Try reading my posts.
Errrr...I haven't argued otherwise. But if you actually think about this statement a little deeper, its not as simple as it sounds. What do we mean by "intelligence"? Who gets to define it? Are there different types of "intelligence"? etc
Again, fine rhetoric mr, but try thinking about it a bit more. Why do some people care and others don't? Are people born that way? or are they made? Same with rapists and murderers? Are people born rapists? Or is something else at work? Same with all your points really.
You haven't really read any of the link I posted have you? But let me ask you this? Who currently cleans your toilet? You? or someone else?
I haven't argued otherwise.
Which is why there would be processes in place to make sure this doesn't happen. Much the same as there is today in organisations.
What makes people bully others?
Did you read the bit where I wrote "I don't think we've ever had a society based on those principles. I'm not sure we ever will. However, I think that its a good thing to strive for."?
No, thought not.
Lucky then, 'cos that's not what I'm arguing for.
Debate and talk. Let me ask you this? Why are you in Wales? Is it so you can have more control over your own work and life? or so you can have less?
i was basicaly driven out of the city.
twenty years later i still feel aprehensive about visiting the place.
christianity ...all about love your nieghbour ...that worked out well didn't it not.
blag ...i just don't see it as workable in a beeg industrial world.
so much going on ...so many decisions to make.
do you believe a ship should have a captain and a prison should a governer?
Eh? You're not making sense.
Yes, a patriarchal religion is exactly the same as a political and economic theory isn't it?
PLEASE TRY AND READ MY POSTS
Errrr...what? Of course it should have someone with knowledge who other people defer to. You're getting confused between political authority (which anarchists argue against) and technical authority (which anarchists acknowledge)
Irrelevant.
why irrelevant>
Why do you think that is?
Its probably because you explain your views very poorly.
Which society would this work in?? ever??
You were on about people in current society being stuck in shite jobs that they hate, where as that wouldnt happen in anarchism... everyone could be an f1 driver or something.
I think you mentioned earlier that anarchism suggests people are 'encouraged' to do the shit jobs that NEED to be done? can u ellaborate on this? hit with a stick or what?
I know this isnt entirely relevant to the point of discussion we;re at at the moment but things have been missed...
Just explain to me how this works and what sort of conditions you think we need for this to work? you havent made ureself that clear apart from referring people to that site .. :banghead:
Except that its not. One appeals to a supernatural being and threatens you with eternal damnation if you don't conform. The other appeals to the co-operative and creative side of humanity and lets people have control over their own lives. I don't see any similarity, apart from superficially.
Prisons (if they existed) in an anarchist society would serve a very different purpose from what they do now, so its irrelevant.
More likely to do with people being far too lazy to read my posts properly and read the links I post.
I don't understand your question.
Was I? Where?
Eh?
No, I mentioned nothing of the sort.
You're not actually reading my posts are you?
What do you mean by "conditions"? Please clarify.
Probably wouldn't been much use in the old cooperative then would they?
What to do!
shoot them!!!!
you seem to be getting your ideologies confused
are processes another term for rules ...law?
Some work, some don't. No one's perfect. What's your point?
No.
blag ...how many people have pointed out your lack of commincation skills now?
read my posts read my posts ....
you want that everyone in your new world order be a philospher ...understand the complexities of running a nation ...an economy ...a world.
well guess what blag ...a larger percentage of people realy don't give a toss and never will.
they have families to take care of and beer to drink.
your going to reducate them all of course ....and it would so obviously have to be done against their wishes.
No one has stood up and said, no thanks, I don't deserve more control over my own life, I am a bit of a fuckwit and need managing.
No, it's always those other buggers who need to be shoved about and made to behave, isn't it?