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incapable of todays and tommorows thinking that is needed for todays and tommorows realities. ..
face it ...or be doomed.
Well that's highly unlikely, because if you actually look at the history of fascism, it is to do with the state actually wanting more power not less.
Although of course, history would tell us the exact opposite.
:yes:
He's right you know. Without goverment the worst you can have is a riot.
Could you explain this?
The former.
Though what is there to stop one tribe or community of people deciding that they want to try and take over another group in the type of society you advocate?
Laws.
The idea of state and police protection/intervention/enforcement of laws.
When the people in power of the laws and police decide it's in their countries interest to go to war. That's why race riots in Bradford will subside but invasion of Iraq goes on until the job is done (if ever)
we still have wars now because people are selfish and want more for themselves (though they hide it behind for freedom or something).. There will always be people like that however in an unpoliced state it will just be easier to go about it.
say a group of people came along and beat the shit out of you and nicked ure phone or something ... would you rather have some help from the police or would you police it ureself? go find them and get the shit kicked out of u again maybe?
I don't.
No, I don't have any answers. Well spotted. Do you?
You haven't been following the debate have you?
No, definitely not following it.
If you remove all forms of governance, people will flock under whatever banner (be that political, religious...whatever) and kick off with another group or another community.
I think the kind of society you're proposing would work for a period, but ultimately, a collective of people would impose authority over others and organise a new order...i.e. the state would return.
The only solution I could see is a military institution restricted to safeguarding peace.
There's no guarantees that would happen. It seems somewhat dubious to assume that a supposedly perfect society would create the perfect man.
There will always be rogue intellectuals with grand ideas, and there'll always be people who lap it up and join their ranks.
it is so farfetched i think ure just taking the piss to argue for the sake of arguing =|
I am saying that people can be their own authority. Why do you think you need someone to tell you what to do?
You never heard of a political theory called anarchism then? It has quite a long history.
people without creative ideas.
no one ...after some severe re educating ...will ever again come up with an idea to stir men to try something new or old ...for fear of it going pear shaped.
blag doesn't believe that mere words can move men and nationsd ...if he does ...then he'll realise his ideas are mere fairytales.
he is one of the religous nutcases in this place ...great faith ...based on ancient ideas ...written by men long dead.
in my creativeness ...i see what i and others see as the best way forward ...socialy ...economicaly etc ...but you and yours disagree ...someone will have to decide ...make the decisions ...take those decisions from you ...those people therefore have power greater than you or me ...how do get round this?
I have heard of it yes but to be honest i don't know the ins and outs of it (just the basic principle).
ok fair enough people can be their own authority...
Noone is telling me what to do currently ... today I chose where i wanted to go, what i wanted to eat, who i wanted to talk to. I don't NEED someone to tell me what to do at all ...however in some cases i prefer it.
OK there are people in power setting guidelines ... advising what we should and shouldnt do ...if i see a car i like i cant just drive it off ...
I dont feel at all opressed with the freedom i have at the moment ..do you really feel that it's that bad?
Didn't we already deal with this? And most people agreed that the reason they don't steal is actually nothing to do with the police?
Well I look around me and I see people sleeping on the streets while others drive past them in cars that cost as much as a house. I see the world being destroyed in the name of profit. I see wars being fought for oil, people starving when we have more than enough food to go round. Do you think that's OK?
And anarchy is the solution?
And greed will go away over-night then yea?