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What`s Wrong with Life in Britain?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    We know how to queue, which when you visit other countries you will note is an almost unique skill and one which is very useful and nice.

    Americans cant queue, they are far pushier.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    True. Unless you're specifically wanting a career which involves foreign language, there's no reason to study French, Spanish etc.
    I think it'd be nice to learn, it's rude of us when we go abroad and expect everybody to speak English... Besides you'd be surprised how far a foreign language can take you.

    I was toying with the idea of the UN, but found out I need to be fluent in at least one second language. Some parts of the civil service need it too, work with businesses, work abroad...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think it'd be nice to learn, it's rude of us when we go abroad and expect everybody to speak English... Besides you'd be surprised how far a foreign language can take you.
    Hear hear!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i think a basic grasp of foreign languages helps to overcome the tendency towards xenophobia that is somewhat inherent, us being on our own island and all......i have a pretty good grasp of german and french, basic spanish, and am now learning polish, all of which i think widens my horizons a little bit......plus it won't be quite so daunting when i go travelling.......i think the only thing really wrong with britain is the weather, nowt much you can do about that though.....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I love the UK and i'm proud to be British. I love the nostalgia and passion when we win a sporting event and create great sport icons, I love the way we all moan when we lose. I love our sense of humour, our heritage and our proud history, and I enjoy living in the UK, I enjoy my life and the people in it. I feel that being British is somthing to be truely proud of, and most Brits simply take it for granted and dont understand what we have or what we are. We also forget that the majority of the world lives under the poverty line and have very low qualities of life, do realise how many people are desperate to live the the UK?
    We as Brits like to moan about things, we like to blame the goverment and complain. Most of the people who do compalin sadly live in unforfilling lives and maybe dont like their job etc. this is found all over the world, in every country and on every street corner. Picknics in France? big deal, we have them all the time in the UK, I for one have BBQ's and partys frequently. France have serious policital and social issues, their ecomomy is doing terribibly becuase of their short working hours and they are having to pay great ecomomic costs for their large amount of free time. Sure, the UK is an expensive country compared to some other developed nations but its just one of those things, Australia is murder capital of the world, crime in south africa is astronomical, disease is killing millions in africa, these are real problems. As I said, we like to moan, just becuase someone has a low quality of life doesnt mean every one does, far far far from it. You'll find alot more of them in France, but they dont complain as much...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Hear hear!


    Hello? I said that on the last page!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Australia is murder capital of the world,

    Thought that was Scotland now
    apollo_69 wrote:
    i think a basic grasp of foreign languages helps to overcome the tendency towards xenophobia that is somewhat inherent, us being on our own island and all......i have a pretty good grasp of german and french, basic spanish, and am now learning polish, all of which i think widens my horizons a little bit......plus it won't be quite so daunting when i go travelling.......i think the only thing really wrong with britain is the weather, nowt much you can do about that though.....

    I'm thinking of learning Polish, cause I could do with an Eastern European language for my career. I've heard it's hard to learn though, how've you found it.

    Also, on foreign languages, anyone used one of these Teach Yourself books? Are they any good? A friend of mine was learning Japanese, and he seemed to learn it a lot quicker just hanging around with a load of Japanese people, than he would by doing a course. Not many Polish people around that I know of though.

    The problem with the UK in my eyes is the education. I remember attempting to use the French that you learn in school on a trip to France, and I could ask for a sandwich no problem, but as soon as he asked what type of bread I wanted, or if I wanted mayonnaise on it, I didn't have a clue (don't actually know what he asked me). You know a collection of phrases, and which verbs are regular and irregular, but you can't have a conversation with that. Maybe if it was better, more people would carry on. A friend of mine from the Seychelles came to the UK for the first time, with the equivilent of a GCSE is English having had about four years learning it, but he was fluent. This was the first time he'd ever been to Britain, but he could speak as if he had been living here for years. Most kids who have a GCSE in French or German have been learning it for at least five years, yet show them a French film without the subtitles, and they wouldn't have a clue what's going on. What are they doing that's so different from us? Obviously some lessons to be learned.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    whats wrong with life in britain? crappy government and chavs
    and i agree about languages, i'm taking german gcse, i've been learning it since i was 12 but i can't really have a proper conversation in german
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    France have serious policital and social issues, their ecomomy is doing terribibly becuase of their short working hours and they are having to pay great ecomomic costs for their large amount of free time.

    Australia is murder capital of the world

    The French worker actually works a lot more productively than us so they dont have to work as long to produce the same. Their social issues are more related to their inability to deal with change and wanting to seal France in a time capsule.

    Australia? Got a source for that?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm thinking of learning Polish, cause I could do with an Eastern European language for my career. I've heard it's hard to learn though, how've you found it.

    Also, on foreign languages, anyone used one of these Teach Yourself books? Are they any good? A friend of mine was learning Japanese, and he seemed to learn it a lot quicker just hanging around with a load of Japanese people, than he would by doing a course. Not many Polish people around that I know of though.

    well i'm only a few weeks in but i think i've made reasonable progress considering how much time i've spent on it........it was very daunting at first because the pronounciation is just something else, and the phonetics have several different sounds each depending on the accents, but i'm not focusing so much on understanding the written language for now, i'll work my way up to that.......i found audio lessons quite useful for the basics, i downloaded pimsleur's polish which is pretty good........i'd say it's harder than any of the languages i've learned previously, i found the other european languages tend to overlap and so compliment each other (french/spanish/italian etc), but this is just another level.......funny you should ask about that teach yourself book, i've just bought the exact one but haven't opened it yet, it looks pretty good though..........of course being around some native speakers is good for learning more about the culture etc, i happen to be living with a couple of polish girls which helps......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    The French worker actually works a lot more productively than us so they dont have to work as long to produce the same. Their social issues are more related to their inability to deal with change and wanting to seal France in a time capsule.

    Australia? Got a source for that?

    You'll find that the French ecomomy is suffering badly, they are being forced to change their short working days scheme because of unempolyment rates set stubbornly at 10% rates, low economic growth and uncompetitivness, it is true that French workers are some of the more productive than the USA and most of Europe, but thats becuase they work less hours and are therefore happier and less stressed, but it cant continue becuase of the economic problems it causes. The Australia thing, i've heard that many times, dont have any sources.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    apollo_69 wrote:
    well i'm only a few weeks in but i think i've made reasonable progress considering how much time i've spent on it........it was very daunting at first because the pronounciation is just something else, and the phonetics have several different sounds each depending on the accents, but i'm not focusing so much on understanding the written language for now, i'll work my way up to that.......i found audio lessons quite useful for the basics, i downloaded pimsleur's polish which is pretty good........i'd say it's harder than any of the languages i've learned previously, i found the other european languages tend to overlap and so compliment each other (french/spanish/italian etc), but this is just another level.......funny you should ask about that teach yourself book, i've just bought the exact one but haven't opened it yet, it looks pretty good though..........of course being around some native speakers is good for learning more about the culture etc, i happen to be living with a couple of polish girls which helps......

    Thanks for the info. Wish I was living with a couple of polish girls :( .
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree that Spanish would stop a lot of people being put off. It is a lot easier to speak! And we are so complacent in expecting everyone to know english, it is a really difficult language to learn!

    Porky pies! You need a lisp to speak Spanish well. I wouldn't even bother trying unless i had at least one speech inpediment!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You'll find that the French ecomomy is suffering badly, they are being forced to change their short working days scheme , low economic growth and uncompetitivness, it is true that French workers are some of the more productive , but thats becuase they work less hours and are therefore happier and less stressed, but it cant continue becuase of the economic problems it causes. .
    none of that realy adds up does it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Porky pies! You need a lisp to speak Spanish well. I wouldn't even bother trying unless i had at least one speech inpediment!
    The difference is that everyone can understand a foreigner speaking Spanish who has but the most rudimentary knowledge of the language or studied the basics.

    Sure, people will know you are a foreigner from a mile off, and you will speak with an accent. But you will be understood by the locals easily, even if reading from a book/dictionary and having little idea how to pronounce words.

    English on the other hand... well, I had been here for years and still some people would misunderstood what I was saying unless I put a pronunciation worthy of a BBC newsroom.

    Spanish might be very difficult to muster, getting all the verb conjugations right, etc, but it is infinitely easier than English to learn an everyday level of.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Porky pies! You need a lisp to speak Spanish well. I wouldn't even bother trying unless i had at least one speech inpediment!

    Only in Spain do you need a lisp. For the other 350 million people who speak Spanish, a lisp will get you laughed at. Out here in kinda-rainy Ecuador, a lisp will mark you out as much as being a white boy like me will.
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