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Porn didn't exist before the internet then?
The point is prohibition only serves to push things underground. It happened with drugs, alcohol in the States, and it would happen to porn.
Of course it exsisted before the internet, but what did we have mucky mags and porn videos. It was a cottage industry then.
Now any 14 year old boy can get access to as much porn as he can jerk off to on the internet, and those who want more "specialised material", they know where to look and what groups give acces to the stuff they need.
The reason why prohibition didn't work was because a great many people thought it was an unjust law, people made a lot of money through the ilegal trade, a lot of people were brought off and a lot of law enforcement officers turned a blind eye to the illicit trade.
Your not going to get a large proportion of the population saying it's unjust to ban explicit porn, you wont get many enforcement officers brought off and there is no where near as much money involved as there was in the booze trade.
I'm sorry but when I was a kid we were still able to get hold some pretty serious porn videos and I only live in the sticks.
Well going to school in West London, all we ever saw was a soggy copy of hustler or similar.
So I am guessing anyone can still do so, without the net.
Yes. Stupid, isn't it? What the state is saying is that they have a higher claim on your life than you do. This is wrong.
But that's true of a great many jobs. I happen to agree, forcing people to do things they normally wouldn't is wrong whichever method you use to get them to obey your whims. Be it force or fraud or threat of poverty. I don't see how this is different to any other job that some people like and others don't.
A blanket ban on porn would still get in the way for those people who do make it consensually and knowingly and for dare I say it, for fun.
Ignore ir, most statisitics are fudged, and on an issue like this I would be amazed if it wasn't outright fabrication. And again we have this weird idea that women don't like sex for it's own sake. Where the hell did you get that idea from, I wonder?
And women enjoy being raped as well.
I'm well aware that women have a huge sexual appetite, well as long as they don't have a headache at the time, but women working in porn and the sex industry generally, don't seem to like what they are doing.
I'm waiting for an interview with either a prostitute or porn star, who actualy says "I physically cum with a lot of my clients or with the guys onthe shoot".
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If they enjoy it and consent to it, it isn't rape, despite it's apparent violence.
So if a woman has an orgasm during a sex scene then it should be allowed? I don't follow your logic here I am afraid.
Just as in the drugs industry, prohibition does nothing. All it does is endanger those who work in the industry even more, and cause widescale gangland conflict between different suppliers.
My understanding is that most of this violent pornography is simulated anyway.
The only issue is consent, especially given Jim V's comments about Linda Lovelace. But a lot of people do consent to partaking in pornography or prostitution- tempted by the wages quite often, especially with "escorts"- and this consent should be respected, regardless of why it is given. Economic coercion isn't enough to negate consent, as few of us do our jobs for the love of it.
All this has come about because one psychopath decided to rape and strangle a woman, and happened to have viewed violent porn in the past. It's not like men haven't raped and strangled women since forever, is it? It has nothing to do with protecting the women in the porn industry, and has everything to do with New Labour trying to score cheap tabloid points whilst burying a load of bad news.
FYI, Operation Ore hasn't worked either. All it does is catch the odd dirty old man, the people who absue the children and make money from the abuse don't get caught. Most serious paedophiles wouldn't go anywhere near a pay website or Kazaa, and so wouldn't get caught anyway.
actually true as well - most child abusers are family members not dirty old strange men in parks
and as you said lots of jobs are unethical, investment banking for one, i would never do it, whilst i know plenty of people who would do it cause it pays well
I agree with Kermit that pushing the industry underground wouls only lead to worse working conditions for women and I am all for the legalisation of prostitution if the brothels were maintained, the women's rights not taken away and if there was regular testing of both clients and women/men. It's the same with pornography, yet sadly there's a taboo on sex.
I actually know somebody who works in pornography and she earns herself quite a bit in wages, it's easy to see why women go in to it.
They wouldnt be arrested for assult, just for breatching the peace, wouldnt they.
I know you can arragne a fight with two guys and sell tickets under rules of boxing if the gloves are 6 oz or more,
If you give your consent to a fight its not assult, If I go to a karate class and ask to spa I cant comlain if I get hit to the police can I ?
slightly biased with very selective language i noticed, with words like 'depraved' to be fitted in without describing what is 'violent pornography'
i have the urge to start singing soad's song
ps - MMORPGs are far worse for RL social interaction anyday - "im on the world of warcraft forums waiting for them to pur the server back on after some downtime "
Depends on what they did, really.
I'd expect them to be done under a section four affray, really. Especially if its a big street brawl.
Fighting is a public order offence and they could be found guilty of Affray or Violent Dissorer etc - but unless somebody pressed charges they wouldn't have to worry about being charged with Assault or GBH etc
Personally i think its shit though and i agree violent pornography should be banned. I believe it incites people to rape.
But I d never say it causes rape,
It might make me more likely to try the odd sniff occasionaly such as pretending to tie my laces on the train ( a technique I currently use for filming up skirt) (only joking) (Iv got a shoe camera)
It would probablt make me think about it more, so that alone would infulence actions