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Was referring to the Axis of Eve.
Do you know if the fertility treatment includes ICSI (directly injecting a single sperm into an ovum), or is it just IVF included in NHS treatment?
people have a right to decent quality of life whether it means hip replacement, psychotherapy whatever
having a child however is not a right, it is a privilidge, and if not having a child affect your mental health, you shouldnt be having a child cause your having it for the wrong reason
im happy to let couples get 1 cycle on NHS personally, but no more, they should fund it themselves after
What are the 'right' reasons to have children? Unless there are some serious abuse issues e.g. using a child as a weapon against a partner, I don't think people need to justify why they want to breed. I know plenty of childfree people who would scream bloody murder at the next person who says, "You'll change your mind!" So I don't see why explanations are in order for those who want children.
I can imagine how someone's mental health would be affected if they were told they were unable to conceive. They're not exactly going to think, "Fiddle-tee-dee, never mind, then." It can be absolutely shattering news, unless we've been there ourselves, we can't possibly know what it's like or what we'd do.
I can imagine that with damage to reproductive systems through chlamydia/PID, and people putting having children on hold, IVF demand will go up in future. It's a tricky business, very expensive, very invasive, and carrries a small chance of working, and I don't have all the answers, but while I believe that having children is not a right, I believe people have a right to try.
Not having a child affects the mental health of people.
They want a child for the same reasons as everyone else, that they can't is what causes the problem.
So only wealthy people should have IVF, and then have their ibstetric bills picked up by those who should adopt/be child free?
Ah, you should see their website :eek:
We include it, I don't know if others do...
Two things.
1. What is the right reason?
2. Who are you to judge anyway? We want children, if it was found we couldn't conceive then it would hurt us, a lot. It was lead to depression in us both. Are you trying to imply that I am only wanting a child to not be depressed? I so hope you're not.
I think every couple who decides they want a child should seriously consider adoption.
Why should they seriously consider adoption? Why should they not be allowed to conceive and have their own children without considering taking someone elses in first?
I disagree. Personally, I can't think of anything I would like more than to settle down ad have children-I have wanted to for a long time now, I just realise that now isn't the right time. If I found out I couldn't have children, I would be devastated.
But they don't, whether it's right or wrong, it doesn't happen. There was a thread a while ago about whether people would consider adoption. A lot of people said 'yes', but when it comes to the crunch, how many of them will actually do something about it? It's so easy for people to say, "But what about the thousands of children out there!!" But the harsh reality is that a lot of the children waiting for homes have committed the crime of growing up, and a lot of people imagine taking home a white, fluffy newborn.
Friends of mine who have adopted have gone through very lengthy uncertain processes. One couple adopted sisters, I think they were 6 and 8 at the time, and the other adopted a little boy who was seriously abused as a baby and toddler - they have to work very closely with social services because those scars remain. I remember each couple saying they wouldn't recommend adoption, because as wonderful as it was for them, it's not for everyone.
If I can, I'd like children of my own, and I don't intend on adopting. People might call me selfish, telling me I'm polluting the planet, they can say whatever they want, it's not their decision to make, and I don't need to justify, explain or apologise for it.
Can you clarify the point you're trying to make please.
I didn't infer that they shouldn't be allowed to conceive and have children that are biologically theirs. That's a poor straw man argument that holds relevance to the statement I initially made. What I did say, and I stand by it, that I think it’s something people should put serious thought into.
Well someone made the point that the NHS is there to improve the quality of your life and not to give you 'bonuses' if you get what I mean, like having children is a plus but the NHS should be about getting rid of bad things.
But my point (think it's already been brought up by MoK anyway) is that by giving people IVF you are improving their quality of life, probably more so than the amount of improvement to someone who has an ingrown toenail removed, for example.