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becks, one person said it was easy. one.
...if a group 13 year olds asked you to buy them a bottle of vodka from the corner shop?
I just declined the same request and they were none too impressed.
Who actually sad it was easy anyway?
It wasn't just that.
There's an attitude from some people that implies that if you can't give up you obviously havn't tried
Yeah, can sound very patronising saying that, unless you have suffered yourself trying to give up smoking, etc.
My dad has always wanted to quit smoking, but just can't and to be honest in this case I'm glad as I would not be able to cope with his mood swings haha... .
It's ridiculous to assume that just because someone is writing that people can give up smoking that they have never experienced either giving it up, or a similar thing.
That suggests to me that he is of the attitude that he wont be able to give up, which is exactly the sort of thing that I was talking about. With that attitude he wont be able to give up, no..
I'm talking about those that have never suffered a nicotine addiction. I havn't assumed anything about anyone. I think it's fair to say there is no substitute for experience.
How did you overcome you aclohol addiction - I'm intrested?
Now you're the one assuming things about people you don't even know.
Just because people say they can't give up doesn't mean they havn't tried.
And for others to just say 'well, they just havn't tried hard enough' is very patronising.
Just because you try to give up smoking doesn't mean that you'll succeed. You can want to do something so much, and really put a lot of hard work and determination into it, but short of being locked up with no cigs for a good long time, you're depending on yourself to quit.
I think a lot of smokers aren't proud of smoking, but it takes more than hard work to quit, cuz I think a lot of smokers are trying very hard to quit but are finding it impossible. The amount of help you get doesn't matter, in the end it's down to you, and I think though you might want really want to quit, some people find it impossible.
I do think it's patronising to say 'you can do it if you just try hard enough' because how frustrating is it when you are really trying to do something and you really want to but you just can't get there?
It's not really relevant, but I would say I did over time. I started to recognise that it was not right and lost the interest that was the hook..
You might not like the fact that someone not being able to give up means that they haven't tried hard enough, but it's true.
I don't beliece you know anything about alcohol addiction. Drinking too much does not automatically equal an alcohol addiction. I suppose you managed to overcome this alcohol addiction all by yourself?
I said that just because someone has put in the effort but not succeded doesn't mean that they have tried. You disagree with taht?
No, but I still think that it means that they need to try harder.
Well that goes without saying.
Mist, I think you just came across like you had dismissed people's efforts to give up, well I personally took it that you were saying 'yeah you've tried, keep trying', and that to me is rather frustrating because people who are trying to give up don't need someone going oh well try harder. It seems impossible to them, and as someone who has tried to quit, it seems like the most difficult thing in the world, and someone going 'oh just try harder', because you honestly feel like you're doing your best. It's discouraging imo, and it came across as a bit patronising. I don't know, that's the impression I got anyway.
:yes: Spot on.
And it seems especially patronising when coming from people who have never had a nicotine addiction.
Don't you think smokers know it's their own fault though? They're not asking for pity or anything, and for some non-smokers to come in being all 'oh try harder and get over it' it's like, well it's easy for you to say isn't it, seeing as you've never been there.
Yeah, you may know people who have done it, but not all people have. Some just find it so difficult and impossible and it's awful to have people going 'well it is possible' and 'try harder', as you're just like 'well why can't I seem to do it then?'. Makes you feel a bit crap tbh, with non-smokers going on about how you can quit, but yet they've never tried.