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because i believe secondary school should be free ( well its not really free, it is payed by the taxpayers ) but that "higher education " should be payed for by the student
its because too many people have them, they dont mean crap anymore
It does, believe me. I work as an education advisor and believe me, it does.
so we are supposed to pay for there education just because they THINK its a barrier to an education, give it a break
i never said that, and you know it, what i did say is that graduates with a degree earn more than 4800/year, which is what YOU said ( 20 pounds is a days work. )
anyone that entered the construction industry from 2001 HAD to have a degree, yes
that brickies, roofers, even just labourers
Do you have any idea why?
Because if someone is in their 30's with no savings and goes to university, they're going to be paying off the loan for the rest of their life with no guarantee of a good salary. Come on, its not difficult to work out.
Blagsta - you knew how many years you'd have to repay the debt. If you're earning £21k now I'm guessing you were on less before you took your degree? If not, something is wrong...
Say in 6 years time you hit £30k - you'll be at least £9k per year better off than you are now, which is £180k over the next 20 years, should you work to the age of 60.
Obviously you'll not see the whole £180k, because we're all taxed and whatnot, but you'll still earn far, far more in excess of the debt through what it allowed you to do.
If having a degree didn't make you more than £15k better off over the 29 years between graduation and retirement, then you picked the wrong degree.
Again, I don't intend to be personal or participate in any kind of flame war, but I cannot understand how you can't see the logic of getting the degree, and how it has to benefit you financially.
True the issue is different for mature students.
I think however you are exxagerating, how long do you think it would take to pay back a student loan? The rest of your life? I think not..........
Out of interest how are you funding you MSc?
I am currently doing an Msc also........
Also I would point out that you would across twenty years expect to earn more than an average 20k a year.........
No idea what you're studying Blagsta, but is it a course and job that'll benefit people or communities? Because they're often not paid all that well.
Well that is rather good, wish I could have done that with mine. Postgrad funding is rather difficult at the moment. In my opinion there should be a loan scheme created for postgrads but no-one talks about that........
Well to be fair I do not think there are many cases where departments will deliberately pick foreign students over domestic to get more fees.
My department has many foreign students on pastgrad but that is becasue it is diffiuclt to get UK students to stay for postgrad in economics......
Top tip if you can only get into an average Uni -
Get a job before you do your "a" levels, and get a degree through the OU. Might take 5 years part time, but it'll take that if you go through college and then to Uni. It's not as much fun but you wind up qualified, debt free and you have a job, probably a place to live and a decent credit history to boot.
You have to show the bods at the OU you are serious though. They can be abtsy about under 18's.
Why does this only apply to students in an 'average' uni?