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Here's what you said recently about the effects of the European Constitution on Britain:
So, would you mind telling us what WILL happen?One thing is having reasonable doubts about the implications of the Constitution or even the euro, and another is to start parroting the europhobic bullshit the right wing tabloids come up with (i.e. talk of dictatorship, Britain "being ruled" by Europe and all the assorted bullshit).
That is not what would happen, whether you'd like it or not.
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It will continue to be a sovereign nation and it will NOT be ruled by "Europe", just as France, Germany et al will not be ruled by "Europe" and will continue to be sovereign nations.
Those are the undeniable facts and I'm not prepared to waste my breath on anyone who claims the opposite and subscribes to the racist xenophobic europhobic rantings of the Express, HateMail and S*n.
As long as we agree on that, we can then discuss economic and political implications of joining the euro and signing up to the Constitution. I believe the former will ultimately be beneficial to Britain, and I believe the latter will make not one iota of difference on anything.
please explain if that should make sense at all?
key words luke
As I said, I don't mind reasoned debate about economic or political implications of the EU Constitution or the euro. I don't have any time for cries of "Britain will lose its sovereignty and throw away 1,000 years of history" if Britain joins the euro or signs up to the Constitution.
Can't you tell the difference between reasonable debate and scaremongering rubbish such as the above claims?
thats not the point, if you have the facts at hand and deliberately deny themn or spin them to fit an agenda then you're a fool for doing it and a biggger one for listening
Its blatantly obvious.
will life be any different? i can think of a thousand things in my life that matter more than this, is it really that big a deal?
It will never get anywhere near the "losing our sovereignty" or "throwing away 1,000 of British history" garbage frequently found in 48pt fonts on the front pages of the HateMail and S*n.
Do you think the French, to name but one proud European nation with hundreds if not thousands of years of sovereign history, would be prepared to "sign away" their sovereignty? Why is it that this is the only country in the EU where such profoundly absurd claims can be heard in such scale? Is it because Britons are clever and the rest of European citizens are stupid and giving away their heritage and sovereignty without realising it?
Or could be that the rest of Europe sees the EU for what it is, and it is Britain (or parts of it to be precise) that is deluded and paranoid?
i know, i dont really get it, i'm currently more angry with the way our own government is ruling us than europe, luke, the average person, me and you, will always be under some form of control, whether it's from whitehall or brussels, we'll not always be happy but the best thing to do is adapt cos things are running quite well at the mo, don't you think?
whats the point in whitehall controlling us?
EU co-operation is essential for business, tourism, trade, alot of services here are paid partly by money donated from other countries, alot of jobs are dependant on the EU here, we help each other out, isolation is not a good thing, no matter how patriotic you are luke it doesn't work
now how can sole westminster contorl be better than a mixture of both, please tell me?
again luke gets put in a corner he can't get out and resorts to posting innane drivel like this, who's asylum policy, ours or the tories, you don't get it at all, everything to you is about destroying english culture and race, the EU is a benefit to our society but all you can see is the union jack in your eyes, time to wake up and smell the coffee luke, seriously.
remember luke, the uk also makes up part of the EU, whats good for the EU is good for us.
I know you are an Americphile but you need to relise that American foriegn policy only benefits America. The EU at least would have the interests of all members when it comes to making an decision.
We have already ceded power to the EU when it comes to trade negiotations, which is a good thing because the UK on the world stage cannot compete with economy of America, the EU can.
Yeah but does the public know the facts or are they allowing prejudice and fear to rule their decisions??
It's all the more amazing as when I started using these threads, I believed Aladdin was a moronic leftie. Yet his views actually make sense, which is more than I can say for the inconsistent Lukesh.
you're a bit of a gullable fool aren't ya, you culd be such a left winger if you wanted to, you just started readin the sun, ah well you win some ya lose some next please who are ya, walk on no time at all for ya!!!!!! who's mad not u anyway.