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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Yes it is.
    Your sources are biased, and fundamentally flawed in a scientific sense. As has been illustrated so many times, IQ does not measure intelligence, it measures education. And, would you believe it, an education system that is horrifically biased against certain ethnic groups will provide IQ tests that "prove" that those ethnic groups are thick.

    Kermit, which sources are biased? And what kind of bias? The 'Black' sources want to show that 'Blacks' are less intelligent? The Jewish sources want to show that Jews are more intelligent? The 'White' sources want to show they're intermediate? Explain.
    Fundamentally flawed how? This question has come up several times since I joined the board and I've always said I have an open mind and have asked for info going against the mainstream view that IQ and intelligence (as we all understand it) are linked, and that groups divided on ethnic/racial lines, score differently on IQ tests. So HOW fundamentally flawed, and WHERE are your sources? Blagsta only gives stuff discrediting 'TBC' which is another matter altogether on which I agree with him.The Wall Street Journal article on IQ and 'race' issues. Please somebody say what they disagree with, explain why, and if possible (I don't think it is), provide links to similarly respected intelligence specialists from likewise respected uni's to support. If not accept that you are prejudiced about the matter, but be aware there's lots of people prejudiced about these issues, and more of them are motivated by hate rather than love, and if all you have to argue with them is your own prejudices, sheer numbers will dictate that you lose. Get a grip on the issue or shutup. I raised IQ and running when challenged to explain how the BNP gained from the insanity of denying racial differences, and the taboo on discussing the clear differences. IQ is one. West-African sprinters and East African middle and long-distance are others. Nobody took issue with the last two differences. All three are consistently shown by the results. No argument. No racism.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by nckdn
    BLAGSTA. Your links I agree with, as I've already said. Your doubts about 'The Bell Curve' I share, as I've said since you first brought it up in the BNP thread. I just doubt your claim that you have hundreds of links debunking the orthodox view that IQ is a good predictor of general intelligence or that groups consistently test with the same pattern of differences. This is what we're debating Blagsta, not TBC


    Stop changing the terms of the debate you slippery little fucker. You have consistently been posting a view that you believe that there is a genetic basis to the difference in IQ results between races and that this proves that some "races" are more intelligent than others. Then when challenged on this, you deny that you actually said it!
    At least have the balls to stand by your opinions, no matter how obnoxious they are.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by nckdn
    Fiend_85, have you read the thread or sources? The argument (for once) isn't whether or not I'm racist. It's about IQ and a link to intelligence, and whether different groups score different on IQ tests. Perhaps you can quote from the sources and adjudicate for us?

    Stop trying to change the terms of the debate when caught out. You were saying that some "races" are more intelligent than others, stop trying to wiggle out of that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    Who the fuck is L R Andrews? If that's the best source you can come up with...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    Who the fuck is L R Andrews? If that's the best source you can come up with...

    Blagsta this is the article by 52 academics which the IQ argument you and I have been having is based on. It was apparent that you didn't read the Block article you linked to (for no apparent reason), but I assumed you'd read this one since you've argued with it so often. It's not by L.R. Andrews. WHAT in the article do you disagree with, and on WHAT basis, and on WHOSE research are you basing your argument? I've asked it plenty of times but you do not answer. I've linked to respected specialists at top universities to show why I believe the mainstream view, why don't you explain why you don't accept it? It's prejudice only, isn't it? I think your motivation is probably anti-racist and brotherly love sentiments, good for you, but you've nothing to fear by getting informed about this issue. I still love everyone. Even you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Who the fuck is L R Andrews? Can't you find a decent source for that article? Why are you trying to change the terms of the debate? Why are you a racist fucker? When did you stop beating your wife?

    The public need to know.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    P.S.
    You haven't actually linked to any respectable academics that support your view that their is a genetic basis to the variation in IQ test results between "races". Whereas I have linked to sources that discredit your view.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    P.P.S.
    You're a cunt
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    P.S.You haven't actually linked to any respectable academics that support your view that their is a genetic basis to the variation in IQ test results between "races". Whereas I have linked to sources that discredit your view.

    I haven't claimed a genetic basis for variation in IQ test results between 'races' - QUOTE ME! And I've ONLY linked to respected academics. On the other hand YOU HAVE linked to an intelligence specialist who in the article accepts a heredity factor in IQ. You didn't know that 'cos you didn't read beyond the headline, and don't know what you're talking about - that's why you haven't answered the only significant question in this debate - WHAT do you disagree with in the W.S.J. article, and WHY, and WHO backs you up. My position is very clear, I think IQ and intelligence are linked, and I think groups drawn on ethnic/racial lines consistently score differently on IQ tests. That's correct isn't it? I've offered supporting links, but you haven't offered opposing evidence even tho' you claimed to have hundreds of examples.

    Likely last post in thread unless you manage to offer something other than prejudice.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You know perfectly well what you're insinuating here. Everyone on these boards can tell you for what you are.
    Originally posted by nckdn
    If you were to compare different ethnic groups in that country, where everyone is warned of the dangers of unprotected sex, would you find a correlation between a high incidence of HIV/AIDS and low IQ.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by nckdn
    The politician wouldn't be able to say that Blacks achieve less because they are less intelligent. But this is the mainstream view of scientists in the field. http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/wsj_main.html
    I know you don't like it but it's true, it hasn't been discredited. The science isn't controversial, the subject is. So politicians avoid it, just like immigration. And the BNP gain.

    This is a very clear statement of your views. You believe that black people are less intelligent. A view which no mainstream academic has. It is a minority racist view, based on a deliberate and wilful misinterpretation of science. Instead of saying that black people seem to do less well on IQ tests, which could be interpreted in many ways, the most likely being that IQ tests are very culturally and socially biased given that their is no real genetic differences between races (the truth), you say that "black are less intellligent" (a racist lie). You don't even bother to look at what IQ tests actualy measure and what we actually mean by "intelligence". You leap straight to a racist conclusion. So forgive me for thinking that you're a racistbut its the only conclusion that can be drawn.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Now do one. :mad:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Your last three posts don't explain why you hold your views Blagsta, they only restate my views and show why I hold them, and your mis-stating of them. WHAT evidence do you have to disprove my views, which are based on the link to 52 respected academics which you've reproduced? WHAT in the article do you disagree with and WHO backs you up?

    Really the last post 'cos I've been very generous with my time and goodwill. Answer the question or Adios.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fuck off. You hold your views 'cos you're a racist. Your views are minority views that aren't taken seriously by anyone. I hold my views because they are the accepted majority views that are based on facts.
    Now fuck off.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why arguing with entrenched racists is a fruitless exercise.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    to be honest Im bored with this debate anyway.

    One of you keeps posting the same thing over and over again and the other just appears to be a foul mouthed abusive yob.:rolleyes:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tommo100
    to be honest Im bored with this debate anyway.
    Why post in this thread then? And why make it your first post?
    One of you keeps posting the same thing over and over again and the other just appears to be a foul mouthed abusive yob.:rolleyes:
    Welcome to theSite. ;)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    thank you very much, been browsing for a while now :)

    I agree probably not the greatest 1st post, just annoyed that id gone through 6 pages of 2 people swearign and insulting each other :cool:
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tommo100
    to be honest Im bored with this debate anyway.

    One of you keeps posting the same thing over and over again and the other just appears to be a foul mouthed abusive yob.:rolleyes:

    Swearing's the only language they understand! Politeness is too good for them!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ok I understand :)

    Though Ive always believed that you do come off better in an argument if you can be polite and control your emotions.

    Not that I can all the time :D:p
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