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we export arms.......
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and not just a little, but a quarter of global arms trade is from us, and we sell to both sides in conflicts, so how can we pretend to be anything other than a warmongering nation? and why arent people bothered that we are responsible for millions of deaths around the world........?
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as long as they're raking in the cash, no one of particular influence is going to complain.
Indeed...
back to jobs and money again i suppose.
if only we could change that production to medicines or something.
it pisses me right off.
the americans want to stop their arses being shredded in iraq ...where do they get all the weapons ...?
Just like crack dealers, eh?
The point is what exactly, caller?
We are not responsible, the people who use the weapons are.
Put this way, if I sell you a car and you then kill someone with it, is it my fault?
Countries have legitimate and lawful reasons to purchase weapons from us. If countries misuse the weapons it is not our responsibility.
And given that if Britain stopped selling weapons those that buy off us would simply buy off say France it would make no difference. So why sacrifice thousands of British jobs and significantly hurt the British economy when it wouldn’t actually improve the lives of anybody who is allegedly harmed by the weapons that Britain sells?
Cars do kill people, but that is not their intended purpose, and most of the time they cause slow death with their toxic fumes.
However, if you knew that I had killed several people with cars, and then sold me another car, I'm pretty sure that the law would find you had some culpability in the matter........
If you sell , or give weapons of destruction to tyrannical regimes you ARE responsible for what they do with them.
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Ho hum, why sacrifice jobs when we can sacrifice LIVES?
Now thats a no-brainer.....
And, as it goes, you're dead wrong about the jobs ......
the number of people employed in producing arms for export is less than 0.3% of the workforce
I'm not religious type anyway, but I do really wonder how those people who see nothing wrong with supplying the death industry and who also see themselves as religious plan to explain to God why it's alright to sell two warring factions weapons so they can kill more people more efficiently.
freethepeeps,
You’re oblivious to the fact that countries have legitimate and lawful reasons to purchase weapons. You fail to accept that we are not responsible for misuse of weapons.
If somebody buys a kitchen knife from Tescos and then stabs somebody are Tesco responsible? I think not.
Likewise if they sell somebody some spirits and they later die from alcohol poisoning is it Tesco’s fault?
Or if somebody buys a packet of Marlboros every day from Tesco and they later get lung cancer is it Tesco’s fault?
Sacrificing lives? If Britain stopped selling weapons it wouldn’t save any lives. (It would however give the French arms industry a significant boost. I wonder if the French arms industry donate to the Campaign against UK export of weapons?)
Have you ever tried cutting bread with an M16 or F16?
Can you give me statistics that show that breadknives kill as many people as Mi6s or F16s do.
You keep pointing at non-weapons and saying "if its used as a weapon is it my fault?"
And the answer is no, unless you sell the breadknife to someone you know keeps killing people with breadknives.
On the other hand, M16s and F16s are built to kill, and you know exactly what they're going to be used for, and you can't even pretend that they're going to be used for anything else.
Do you remember the shopkeeper in Glasgow who got done for selling glue sniffing kits to kids? He used your 'argument' and got convicted.
Have you no morality man?
You don't see anything wrong with Britsh ministers peddling British weapons to both India and Pakistan then?
we sell to pakistan and india, now they're well equipped to whoop each other and we act shocked when theres military unrest, it takes the piss......and MoK, if i sell you a gun what are you gonna do with it, you sure cant take it for a drive, ridiculous argument........kinves also have legitimate purposes, guns dont thats why they're banned........yet we dont have a problem with them spilling into streets all around the world........
as for jobs and the economy blah blah its rubbish because lots of studies suggest it wouldnt make a lot of difference, thats just a handy pretext to keep on selling them to countries in return for favours and allies.....
And what you have failed to recognise is that there are already enough weapons to destroy the world several times over, that making them and selling them inevitably leads to massacres, and that saying "he did it first, miss" doesn't make it okay.
Do you think this defence would be succesful?
"Your honour I raped her, because if I didn't someone else would have .........."
Are you in favour of arming the whole UK population disillusioned?
There is a massive difference between selling arms to a stable nation not engaged in any conflicts (say Sweden) and selling them to warring nations or those on the brink of nuclear holocaust- in particular when they sell them to both sides of the conflict (say India, Pakistan and endless African factions).
It's completely wrong, amoral and despicable.
If you sell the car to someone not responsible to use it, then partly yes.
In the same sense there is a difference between selling arms to Italy and selling them to Colombia.......
What does this pathetic We mean? As far as I know you have no right even to keep your grandfather’s rusty revolver under your mattress not speaking about exporting it!