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Poverty

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
With all the debate recently for amending the United States Constitution in favor of recognizing marriage as a union between a man and woman, perhaps a more appropriate amendment should guarantee each citizen of the United States the right to food, clothing, shelter and medical care. Poverty is defined as the condition of being poor or lacking the necessary means of support to live or meet needs. Today we read of enormous corporate tax breaks, outsourcing of jobs overseas and outrageous salaries "earned" by athletes/entertainers. More recently came the revelation of the $200 billion dollars spent by the U.S. on the war in Iraq. In the meantime, the number of those in poverty continues to increase. The Old Testament of the Bible often makes references to the promised land flowing with milk and honey. All one has to do in this country is take a trip to the grocery story or department store and bear witness to the fact that if anywhere was close to exhibiting the characteristics of "the promised land", this country is it. Yet somehow we are still unable to meet the four basic needs every citizen has. Some would argue that this proposal is an extension of Socialism/Communism. Nothing could be further from the truth. Socialism/Communism is a political or economic theory in which community members own all property, resources, and the means of production, and control the distribution of goods. No one is suggesting the replacement of Capitalism; an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned, and prices are chiefly determined by open competition in a free market. What is being suggested is that in this land of surplus "milk and honey", there is absolutely no reason why the four basic needs of every U.S. citizen cannot be met. Some would argue that food stamps, thrift stores, public housing and medicaid already meet these needs but in the words of President John F. Kennedy, "this country is divided between those who have never had it so good and those who know we can do better". I think we can do better. Resolved, it shall be the right of every United States citizen (in order to further guarantee the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) to receive food, clothing, shelter and medical care that is adequate to meet their basic needs.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's a disgrace there is poverty in any developed country but those living in poverty are usually those without a voice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    In a pure capitalist society poverty can’t exist in any form except one’s individual choice ( if he is fanatical Buddhist for example) or almost impossible set of unlucky circumstances ( his house is burned, he has no savings, his relatives hate him, neighbours are selfish idiots, there are no churches, charity organisations, just compassionate people thousand miles around so on).
    Of course poverty does exists in modern America. Due to its Socialism.
    And poverty in its much more cruel forms exists in The World. Due to world’s ( American partly) Socialism.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Of course poverty does exists in modern America. Due to its Socialism.
    :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    And poverty in its much more cruel forms exists in The World. Due to world’s ( American partly) Socialism.
    But if the world, or just America, became more right wing then wouldn't poverty in other countries, including most of the western world, increase dramatically, as America recalls all it's loans and stops helping out us little guys?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    In a pure capitalist society poverty can’t exist in any form except one’s individual choice ( if he is fanatical Buddhist for example) or almost impossible set of unlucky circumstances ( his house is burned, he has no savings, his relatives hate him, neighbours are selfish idiots, there are no churches, charity organisations, just compassionate people thousand miles around so on).
    I don't understand that statement. Do you understand the principles of capitalism and socialism?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How the heck can anyone argue that the USA is socialist. There is very very very little welfare in the USA, only a 'safety net' for the bottom of society. It has nothing compared to the welfare states of Western Europe, which if i may add still have much poverty also in some especially deprived areas.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Renzokuken
    How the heck can anyone argue that the USA is socialist. There is very very very little welfare in the USA, only a 'safety net' for the bottom of society. It has nothing compared to the welfare states of Western Europe, which if i may add still have much poverty also in some especially deprived areas.
    Hah-hah. Do you know what Tax Freedom Day is? Do you know this year it was14 April? That means that even according to official data ( blatant lie of course) the State grabs 1/3 Americans’ hard earned money? “very very very little…” yeah right. If it is not a socialism what the hell it is?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by piccolo
    I don't understand that statement. Do you understand the principles of capitalism and socialism?
    Of course I do.
    Socialism is a political system for coercive redistributing property titles from owners-earners-contractors to parasites. From the less politically influent to the more politically influent that is in the most cases from the poor to the rich. Capitalism is a not-political system of free markets where nobody has the right nor opportunities to award ones at expense of others including the right to award the rich at expense of the poor.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Hah-hah. Do you know what Tax Freedom Day is? Do you know this year it was14 April? That means that even according to official data ( blatant lie of course) the State grabs 1/3 Americans’ hard earned money? “very very very little…” yeah right. If it is not a socialism what the hell it is?

    So you are telling me that you see George W. Bush's Neo-Con government as socialist? Lets look at the facts, if it was socialist the rich would be taxed more right? Lets see though, percentage wise the rich are taxed *less* than the poor. America is possibly the most anti-left 'democracy' in the world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Socialism is a political system for coercive redistributing property titles from owners-earners-contractors to parasites. From the less politically influent to the more politically influent that is in the most cases from the poor to the rich. Capitalism is a not-political system of free markets where nobody has the right nor opportunities to award ones at expense of others including the right to award the rich at expense of the poor.
    I may be being thick, or maybe it's just because I disagree, but that doesn't make any sense to me. On what basis do you think money in a true socialist society would be taken from the poor and given to the rich. It may be the case in the USA but GWB gives a huge amount of tax breaks to the rich so it's truly backward socialism....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    In a pure capitalist society poverty can’t exist in any form except one’s individual choice

    Oh jesus christ, will you get into the real world?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Due to world’s ( American partly) Socialism.

    You really need to read some books about politics! LOL! :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Of course I do.
    Socialism is a political system for coercive redistributing property titles from owners-earners-contractors to parasites. From the less politically influent to the more politically influent that is in the most cases from the poor to the rich. Capitalism is a not-political system of free markets where nobody has the right nor opportunities to award ones at expense of others including the right to award the rich at expense of the poor.

    This post is hilarious! :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    Of course I do.
    Socialism is a political system for coercive redistributing property titles from owners-earners-contractors to parasites. From the less politically influent to the more politically influent that is in the most cases from the poor to the rich. Capitalism is a not-political system of free markets where nobody has the right nor opportunities to award ones at expense of others including the right to award the rich at expense of the poor.

    :eek2:

    Socialism is a theory or system of social organisation in which the means of distributing or producing goods is owned collectively or by a sort of centralised government that usually controls the economy? I think....

    It's a happy medium between capitalism and communism (depending on your opinion).

    Capitalism is an economic system where the means of production and distribution are privately owned.

    So how the hell is America socialist???
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