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So doing my assignment about China (yes, I am starting it at 2am), I was wondering what people's opinion about how the relations between the Eu and China should be?
Lift the weapon-embargo?
And what would that mean politically?
Lift the weapon-embargo?
And what would that mean politically?
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In the long run it means we have a very rich friend and opens up more trade possibilities.
If they are willing to become more progressive and accept investigation and reforms (highly unkikely), we should become greater partners both diplomatically and economically.
The Americans would no doubt object to greater interaction with the Chinese.
Either way, the weapon-embargo has been made as a moral stand.
And while the EU has a lot to gain from a friendship with China, couldn't be seen as ridiculing ourselves, to lift the embargo?
Also, the moment that China buys weapons it is estimated that India will feel threatened and follow their steps. Naturally Pakistan, will then follow as a third party.
And is that to help in the region?
Both China and India, are experiencing and incredible growth currently - but even if China will gain the spot as the world's strongest economy in 2050, the average chinese will have less money than the average European. Meaning that, shouldn't they invest in their population?
In socialist societies there is less free money in their pockets but that doesn't mean they are any less worse off as what the need (should be) given to them. It's an old hat way of measuring wealth. I'm sure there are people in Shanghai who have a much higher standard of living as those in Kensington but have less money.
Actually the SARS outbreak set the fpcuse on the Chinese health service which has been trembling for many many years.
In my opinion health is the basis for being able to get an education, work and simply fuction (with my experience I should know).
and its has marktets now but dominated my monopolies like wal mart etc
we shuld keep weapns embargo on them too i say, theyre one of the strongest military power and well dontneed any of our wepons expertise on top of the work theyhave themselves
China will be a key player eventually though, I think more diplomatic efforts should be made and we should *somehow* try to influence China to liberate it's people a tiny bit more. Recently there was a new law in China that was along the lines of "the owner of any lawful property taken is allowed compensation" - because in China the government is allowed to 'commision' your things and power hungry beaurocrats 'commision' people's cars and things like that. The problem with this however is that in many parts of China it's very hard to prove you own it which means its nullified since it has to be a "lawful ownership".
Animal rights 'abuses' aren't going to stop in China any time soon because it's just how they are and it's just their way of life. With human rights abuses it's a different case for some reason that makes sense but I can't explain right now
We'll see what happens anyway.
Its all about money as usual.
Yes, it is.
No one wants to be left out.
After Chirac saying that the weapon embargo should be lifted, under the Chinese president's visit in France, they got an order of 21 airbus planes for a Chinese airline.
Either way, it's either the EU behaving all high and might, bragging about our democratic values, and not letting Turkey in because of Human Right abuses, or we swallow that pill and open up connections with China.
Difference with the two, is of course money. With Turkey we'll have to pay, and with China we'll be rewarded.
Better to be friendly and try and use the friendship to influence Chinese policy, reward the regime for improving human rights etc.
Do you know how the estimate for Chinese 'economic power' was arrived at?
I assume it is just total GDP.
Is the estimate based on current growth or on forecast growth rates?
Is it PPP adjusted?
Need to finish my geography assignment first *sigh*
At least I am finished with the China assignment for now. And my math-test I guess went well.
Argh, I am rambling.
EDIT: Btw, I got my prospectus from Sheffield today
Sadly I have only 6 weeks and i will have finished my degree and my time in Sheffield.
Unless I get on the Masters course
The Chinese Revolution was based on a revisionist version of Marxism, wich means it didn't start well. And they didn't follow most basic steps of a Socialist society. They turned in to a burocratic nation, an oligarchy, nothing to do with Communism. And now they have made an ammendment to their constitution allowing private property... wich is a clear step towards capitalism.
China has for the last decade been experiencing growth of an average approximately 8%.
This means that they are pretty much the fast growing large economy, ever.
This has indeeed been achieved by embracing capitalism in certain areas, particulalry the coastal regions, to allow for export led growth.
It is an economic miracle similar to that of the other E.Asian nations but more impressive given the size and recent historty.
There are costs however. As with any massive change..........
But I have rethought it. Before Mao's Revolution China was still in a feudalist (sp?) economy. So the normal step from there is Capitalism. So it is progressing. It has just taken longer than others to get here. The next step is Socialism. You can't go up two steps at once, that is what the U.S.S.R. did...
Wich takes me back to what I said before, I understand that the economy is growing fast but the Soviet's were a self made Superpower in 70 years... It sounds familiar.
i think in though that economic growth and social change go hand in hand, and if by progress you mean the adoption of western values then I think that this is happening in the growth areas.......