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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by marv

    What does it take to explain to people that the Human race as a species has systematically fucked this planet up and that at our rate of consumption we will be facing massive problems in the future which can be avoided if people actually start acting more responsible with this planet.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2281011.stm

    Yes we have fucked up, but it was necessary in order to develop our technology. without the industrial revolution we'd still all be living in squalor and would never get past being peasants. We needed to use resources in order to develop sufficiently to a point where we can create resources from scratch.

    Yes Moony, the great white is physically superior to us in some ways, but it's still stupid. By your reckoning the elephant should be master of the planet, or the gorillas. They are strong and have reasonable cognitive skill. But they are still stupid in comparison to us.
    If nature intended for us to be masters of the planet without technology it wouldn't have given us unusually large brains and opposable thumbs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by groovechampion
    Survival of the fittest means that we evolve better character traits and lose useless ones.

    Its pretty useful and its the reason why life on earth survives.

    Indeed but consider what it would actuallt mean for human society, not really a good thing by any normal standards.........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by MoonRat
    What's with all this calling people 'savages'? Because their technology is/was poorer than what we have in our own cooshy society?


    Certainly no people should be called savages because of inferior tech, probably a better reason would be there moral standards etc.

    I am sure the tribes of the Amazon are lovely etc but i doubt very much that many western people would ever want to live amongst them even if they were willing to adapt to the hardships etc. What if the tribe had no democracy, no womens rights, made war on other tribes wantonly, killed any disabled children at birth etc? Not so good then really.

    One of the benefits of our technology is it allows us to be more moral, look after the sick, help the poor etc.......
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but i doubt very much that many western people would ever want to live amongst them

    No they wouldn't nor do those tribes want their presence which up to now has been mostly genocidal, gold-miners, loggers, adventurers, deliberate infection with diseases they have no immunity to.

    as to their primitive ways, I'm sure even killing any disabled children at birth makes perfect sense in such an enviroment, who are we to judge?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yes it would make more sense, that is what i am saying, technology allows us to set higher standards for the way we treat others and this is a good thing.........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Humans have the ability to create technology simply because our increased brainpower permits it!!

    Animals don't have technology because they've never evolved the intellectual means to produce it!!

    Technology improves your life!! I dare you not post on the entire WWW for a day if you hate technology so much!!:lol:



    Edited - I warned you to stop shouting.........
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Whowhere
    Yes Moony, the great white is physically superior to us in some ways, but it's still stupid. By your reckoning the elephant should be master of the planet, or the gorillas. They are strong and have reasonable cognitive skill. But they are still stupid in comparison to us.
    If nature intended for us to be masters of the planet without technology it wouldn't have given us unusually large brains and opposable thumbs.

    Hehehe 'Moony', I like that ;)

    Yeah we have a lot of grey matter and opposable thumbs, but you're still missing the point. We are resourceful as a race and posess cognitive thinking, but then a lot of our thoughts, feelings and emotions, minus cognitive and aesthetical thoughts/needs can be brought back down to psychology and thus applied to the animal kingdom.
    What if the tribe had no democracy, no womens rights, made war on other tribes wantonly, killed any disabled children at birth etc? Not so good then really.

    But then that's life. Compared to our society and based on our own socialisation and norms and values that is disgusting, but compared to theirs it's normal.

    A lot of these tribes, or the ones I've seen and read about are fairly egalitarian, they live peacefully. I mean you can't compare them to pictures drawn in the nineteenth centuary by settlers that you find in history text books.

    Besides, some middle eastern countries have poor human rights records. Are they savages too?
    One of the benefits of our technology is it allows us to be more moral, look after the sick, help the poor etc.......

    Morality is relative.
    as to their primitive ways, I'm sure even killing any disabled children at birth makes perfect sense in such an enviroment, who are we to judge?

    :yes:
    Technology improves your life!! I dare you not post on the entire WWW for a day if you hate technology so much!!

    Ok firstly stop shouting and posting inappropriate smileys, it's irritating. Secondly, back up what you say instead of write one sentence and leave it whenever anybody asks you for some depth.

    *ahem*

    Now where did I say I hate technology? Whilst primitivists, in my eyes have some interesting points to share, I wouldn't go so far as to say that everybody should live in mudhuts and hunt deer. And why? Because the communication side has benefitted us no end. Please read people's posts before you make judgements like that instead of putting words in their mouth.
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