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10% of builders are "illegal immigrants"
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And to this I say: so what? The construction industry needs the workers, the workers pay tax, so what if they didn't dot the i's and cross the t's. If they want to work, and will pay tax, then anyone, regardless of who they are, is welcome in this country. God knows we need them.
And? They're working, they're building our houses and our offices, who really cares? British people aren't doing the work, so why not let everyone else have a go? It's the same with bus drivers- no Britons want to drive buses, so let immigrants, if they're qualified. If they've arsed themselves to come over here, I'm sure all 95% of them want to do is work legally and better themselves and their family. And as that benefits us thorugh taxation and the work done, I'm all for it.
And to this I say: so what? The construction industry needs the workers, the workers pay tax, so what if they didn't dot the i's and cross the t's. If they want to work, and will pay tax, then anyone, regardless of who they are, is welcome in this country. God knows we need them.
From Migration Watch UK
The system simply doesn't knit together. The government don't know who they've got or where from.
And? They're working, they're building our houses and our offices, who really cares? British people aren't doing the work, so why not let everyone else have a go? It's the same with bus drivers- no Britons want to drive buses, so let immigrants, if they're qualified. If they've arsed themselves to come over here, I'm sure all 95% of them want to do is work legally and better themselves and their family. And as that benefits us thorugh taxation and the work done, I'm all for it.
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However, if they are illegal immigrants then can they be trusted to have the skills needed, or more to the point can we be SURE they have the skills. I wouldnt want someone putting in my electric wires if I didnt know they were qualified.
I would just much rather see an extention of the work permit system for tradesmen, I'm sure there is a shite load of them in Eastern Europe.
Although having said all this the two blokes who did my bathroom under the boss were from Lithuania and I'm not totaly sure that they were legal, they did a good job though and were quite cheap, so...who am I to argue.
Anyone disagrees?
What's good for businesses isn't the same as what's good for UK long-term,so I'll keep my champagne bottle corked a bit longer:rolleyes:
The reason there arent enough nurses and teachers is because they are grossly over worked and under paid. That has very little to do with 'business' as such.
If British people don't want to work in the Construction Trade, then let people who do. Simple.
thats why i say controlled work permits to let skilled workers of wanted professions in...
Are work permits only given out under certain circumstances?
My wife is American so the paperwork that goes with that is very easy (5 mins when we got seen), but we spent the whole day waiting to be seen, about 8 hours!
From what I understand from work permits for outside the Eu, you have to prove that no-one in the EU could do the job that you were applying for. AND you have to have the employer asking for you.
So you can imagine that its not all that easy.
Ahhhh. How the hell could you prove that no one inside the EU could do the job you want to apply for though? That seems a bit dodgy to me.
It might not be that anyone in the EU could do the job, but the employer has to show they made an effort to get someone from the EU first. So they have to do lots of work which obviously they arent going to do for a builder.
Ah right, I get ya.
Yes, god help us if too many people get an education. They might just stop listening to reactionary right-wing politicians...
If you want to look at nursing and teaching then perhaps you should consider that it isn't university courses which are the problem - afterall to be employed in either profession you actually need to have such an education.
You would do better to look at decades of cuts in budget and political reactionary policies which don't look for long term investment, but rather at short term election winning approaches.
I'm not a Labour supporter by any means, but at least their plan for the NHS is looking at the period after the next election, rather than just the period up to it...
'you've tried the cowboys ...now try the indians'.
pattel brothers ...property repairs.
shit pay and conditions? Just a thought, like.
Eh, have you been smoking something?
Because of the debt a lot of undergrads have to do McJobs to make ends meet, which is probably where your statistic comes from.
The reaosn why we don't have enough teachers and nurses is because the pay is shit, and there is no incentive. I will leave uni with £15,000 of debt, I aren't gonna work that off by being a teacher on £18,000 am I? And that's even before I have to start buying a house, something that I couldn't afford to do on £18,000.
is it?
probably
or maybe probably not
A case I know well: a man ( about 45 y.o.), a respected specialist in building industry. He has his own small team, he earns good money, he’s bought a nice house recently (a wonderful scenery. The sea, mountains so on. Not bad money, really.) Plus he feeds two families ( his old one and his new one). He was a KGB officer ( I’m not joking. He was. Not a high rank officer of course but anyway). He never worked in building industry. But now he is a great specialist who can say to anybody ’I f**k your job. Your wages barely satisfies Salvation Army. Pay these dollars and make those conditions and you’ll get what you need.’
I don’t think this kind of immigrant is bad for your country but I’d like to know what do you think about it? Maybe you believe they are the worst kind of immigrant who push British workers’ wages down?
Evidence suggests that immigration only has a negative effect ion the wages of the very low skilled and uneducated. Minimum wage legislation and a good security net howeveer can prevent any severe problems caused by this.
Stat of the day (from yesterdays Guardian) immigrants have a lower unemployment rate than 'natives'.
Labrat as a libertartian type do you beleive in completely unrestricted migration?
It wouldn't inspire me to get into a whole lot of debt but it's getting more obligatory to graduate to be even considered by many employers
That, though covers a multitude of sins like teaching, libraries and sundry other lowly-paid public-sector jobs so it may not be happy ever after for graduates esp after paying off student debts.
And then those who are unemployed or drop out.
Why should 50% of school leavers (govt. target) graduate, it makes their degree very commonplace and no real indicator of ability?
Well as the source says, the most popular choices are a little better than that. I agree about the 50% target, what we also need to concentrate is the skills shortage esp in construction.
A lot of people just dont learn in that way, the so called "book smart".
It is obvious that the more 2.1 and higher degrees there are the less they mean, you cant avoid that.
It is true that many graduates have inflated expectations of what they will earn but the fatc is that for the vast majority of people, having a degree improves your earning potential, and will continue to do so even with more graduates. The 50% figure is based on estimates of the way the jobs market is moving, more jobs require more advanced skills available from degrees, it was not picked from the air as some seem to think.
If the sector is not expanded we risk even worse skill shortages than the one we have already, mot enough doctors, or nurses or teachers, or computer technicians, or researchers etc etc........