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France and Islamic Head Dress
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What are peoples' views on whether French government schools should ban the Islamic head dress for pupils (along with other symbols of ra eligious nature e.g. crucifix, skullcap)?
I am inclined to agree with most French people that foreigners should integrate into FRENCH society and NOT the other way around.
I'm sure I will be shot down in flames.
I am inclined to agree with most French people that foreigners should integrate into FRENCH society and NOT the other way around.
I'm sure I will be shot down in flames.
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But no, I don't agree with the move. God knows I despise organised religions with passion, but such a move will create more problems than it will solve.
Keeping church and state seperate is important, but wearing a piece of cloth over your head doesnt threaten this vital of democracy.
True, but surely they can keep a part of their own culture and heritage as well?
By doing this, you're setting peoples' defence insticts up, and they'll further themselves from the French community and keep strictly to their own.
As Matadore said, enforcing this move is maybe democracy due to the majority who're for this move. But it also contradicts the whole aspect of the French revolution which they are so proud of...
near zero i would imagine.
My mom's friend is a diplomat and she got sent out to Saudia Arabia. She told about how there would be seperate days for the men and women to go to the zoo f.ex. and of course they'd follow those rules.
Historically, white man hasn't always integrated. Today, most often than not we'll follow the countries rules.
And hasn't my dad integrated into Danish culture? Yes, it's white from white, and easier than most, but still a very different mentality, yet he has represented Denmark at several occasions different places around the world.
However this is not about integration. Note that visible large Christian symbols such as big crosses are also being banned. The head scarf wearers are not being targeted because they haven't integrated to French live. All religious signs- including those displayed by 'native' Christians- are being banned.
France, like Germany, does not have a state religion, and as uch it bans all religious symbols from its state classrooms- it stems from the revolution.
Interesting that France is vilified for this, but that Turkey is not, though.
Because the thread isn't about Turkey?
Or because we didn't know?
I've heard that in some US schools children aren't allowed to wear pentacles. But then Harry Potter has been banned in some states too.
You're right.
I wasn't aware of the law for adults - that raises an interesting point. Does anyone have the right to impose legal dress-codes on adults?
London Free Press
So I guess it's not legal, per se...
I think that Governments telling people what they can and cannot wear on their heads is rediculous (Except in the case of general safety) and when it's linked so directly to religion it's incredibly disrespectful.
Why is it ridiculous though? Religious symbols and religious doctrine has no place in the classroom, and just as the French law extends to wearing ostentatoious crucifixes or Stars of David it extends to wearing burkhas.
The burkha is no more religious than a crucifix; yes, its more cultural, but its also cultural in many Islamic states to circumcise women. In my opinion the burkha exists to subjugate women, and if a tool is being used to oppress part of the population then the Government SHOULD get involved. Just like it should in the case of femal circumcision, or in forced marriages.
Oh, and MoonRat, my point is that it isnt just France that has brought in this law- states such as Turkey, which are popularly seen as Islamic, have exactly the same regulations, making any insinuations of racism or bias fatuous.