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I didnt think I'd come accross it...
BillieTheBot
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You dont think you'll come accross this type of thing but a close mate of mine nearly had someone die in their lounge the other day from a heroin overdose.
I mean, I just never thought I'd have any dealings with that sort of thing and its shaken my mate up quite a bit.
I've done some dangerous things and put myself in A&E on a serious OD but, well I'd always thought of heroin as a class above that people like me never went near.
I know that sounds really blinkered, but, its just none of my mates would really go near it.
I mean, I just never thought I'd have any dealings with that sort of thing and its shaken my mate up quite a bit.
I've done some dangerous things and put myself in A&E on a serious OD but, well I'd always thought of heroin as a class above that people like me never went near.
I know that sounds really blinkered, but, its just none of my mates would really go near it.
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scary ...i refuse to let anyone in my home who has heroin in them or on them ...from past experience.
But well if that doesnt sound like a dodgy line I dont know what does. To me it sounds like the blokes tolerance has gone down a bit, he smokes the usual and then fucks up.
My mate does tend to hang around with a few dodgy people, but they've always been just human freaks not junkies, thats different. As Hunter S Thompson says;
"You can turn your back on a person, but never turn your back on a drug"
Like you said, not to be trusted, ever. I just wish the one's who want help could be treated properly by the NHS.
Its my view that its the fault of society as a whole that people turn to drugs, have access to drugs and get hooked on drugs - therefore its the duty of society as a whole to help addicts through their illness.
If the public doesnt like the idea of addicts wandering around the streets then maybe secure de-tox centers would be the answer. Then help for the addicts when they came out.
I think thats a very good idea BB
Now to anyone with a decent knowledge this seems quite stupid, but if no-ones told you, how can you know. And with junk being so cheap now I can see this happening more and more often.
As I've said before I think the government will end up moving further down the treatment route than many voters would like, but wont broadcast it, the reason being its just cheaper than locking people up. And these things always come down to the bottom line.
but ...in the sixties heroin was still prescribed as it had always been for those addicted. those addicted ...the worst proffesion for heroin addiction is the medical proffession. has been for a hundred years and more. pharmasists come next or used to.
in the sixties most of the people being prescribed for their habiots were ...from the lower middle classes to the rock and roll stars and politicians ...it just wasn't seen as bad ...as criminal.
a new government came to power in 1970?????? ...and against all the expert advice ...the woodroof report being the ultimate government one ...they made prescibinbg of heroin illegal. america had a problem ...europe had a growing one ...the uk was fine. they made it illegal ...it all fell apart.
lets get something clear ...if you are addicted to heroin ...like many public and responsible people have been and are ...it doesn't turn you into a jekyl and hyde monster.
you work for a living. the scary thing about being addicted to something is ...the supply being illegal. it makes a normal life i,mpossible.
the west are addicted to oil ...they fear it not being available.
the starving well they are addicted to food and fear ...it not being available.
I am in favor however of much more prescribing by doctors, but not just maintaining the habit for ever, trying to help people off, but thats not just a chemical thing, you need to help them with their whole life too. 'Joined up thinking' to use a terrible buzz-phrase.
oh dont get me wrong i wasnt saying it goes pear shaped - was sort of saying what the general public might say.
i have a friend, hes 35 now, first did heroine when he was 20 i think he (god im terrible at remembering details about people!!) anyway he was very addicted.. now hes as healthy as everything. There are no signs what so ever that hes been addicted to the stuff hes healthy and happy, married etc...
i don't proffess to have the all the answers. illegal has totaly failed ...we have to move on. we have to get daring, brave, experimental and fucking radical. lets see what happens. it can't be worse than the phoney and failed war on drugs.
YOU ...know the war on drugs is an expensive and pathetic joke.
lets be brave and move on ...
But as we have said before, with heroin there are easier answers, I really have no idea what to do about the coke problem.
Oral cocaine is next to useless really, apart from being a mild tonic, in the old sense of the word. A modern cocaine user would never eat it, even if the price was next to nothing.
I understand your point about the illegality causing problems, but I dont think the example applies here. With heroin, yes, somewhat, but with cocaine, its different.
We need good residential treatment centers for cocaine users, and much more research done into chemical treatments, of which there are next to none.
but ...a respectable law abiding citezen should not have to face a criminal record or even imprisonment for his choice of self medication.
maybe throwing people in jail who have over an ounce ...everyone else ...leave them alone!