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And again used, the time old excuse of the irresponsible business people "It doesn't make money."
So you're telling me that if every Magazine started putting in information that's resposible, that people are going to stop reading them?
It won't sell.
Look at diets. Everyone knows that the most effective way to become lean is to eat sensibly and have a good exercise regieme consisting of a mix of cardio and weights. But that takes too long and for some it's too much effort. Quick fix solutions are 'better'.
So what do you think is going to sell more? "Atkins diet, Z list celebrity loses x lbs in x days, you can too!" or "Eat the right foods and exercise. Person in the street lost fat and gained muscle in 12 weeks."
Or relationships. When is the last time there was an article saying, "You know what, it's ok to feel a little jealous/insecure" rather like, "10 reasons why he may cheat on you," "how to spot the signs he might like other women". While I hate to quote him, Michael Moore has a spot of truth in the saying that fear breeds consumerism.
Well, that's exactly what it is, business. It's not sharing feelings round a fire exchanging marshmallow squares. People are there to make money.
As go_away said, people dont want to spend hours and hours in a gym if they already have low self-esteem, so they turn to easy diets which deprive them of vital foods (carbs anyone?) and tell them to eat a lot less than what their body requires per day. Another reason people prefer not to go to gyms is because of the people who go there (generally thin gym bunnies), I should be at the gym now, but i cant be bothered and on top of that i hate being the "fat" person at the gym (even though i dont think im fat at all).
Sorry but i still stand by my notion that the media feeds women a load of shit about weight and sizes, simply to feed on insecurities related to relationships, body and image.
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thats shallow blokes for ya isnt it they only care about looks they dont give a damn about whats underneath
I think most people look better with a bit of flesh on them but it depends on their figure. What's her name, that actress who plays Marissa in the OC, she's a 0 I think, and she looks fine as she is tall and sort of willowy.
I'm not at all bothered about being a 0, I'd be happy to be a 12 to be honest! I think most people have a natural size that they settle at when they eat healthily and exercise, and that is their natural size.
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Don't know about anyone else, I was referring to a UK 4.
I wouldn't have thought Mischa Barton was a size 0. I've always thought she's a good example of someone who's naturally skinny as her top half looks pretty skeletal but her lower half is pretty... normal and not at all willowy. An awkward shape, and probably quite a typical pear... if she diets her lower half down to the way she wants it then the rest of her looks emaciated but if she has her top half looking good her thighs/hips/bum suffer (in Hollywood's opinion, not mine). If she didn't have the height on her I think she'd look a fairly average size.
I couldn't physically be a size 0, I don't have the inclination at all and certainly don't have the willpower to whittle myself down to such a degree through diet and exercise. Maybe if I were to get onto some of the drugs that these celebrities undoubtedly use... I was going to say models/celebrities but some of these actresses and socialites are starting to make runway and magazine models look positively buxom!
I'm not too sure about whether men are blowing smoke saying they prefer curvier women, because it has actually been my experience that they do. My male friends all go for the more... er, substantial girls. But obviously this just illustrates perfectly how varied tastes and preferences are. Lucky there's such a variation, eh
Couldnt find a chart so i made one...i know i have too much free time!
I went to the clothes show last year and I was pleased with the models they had on the catwalk, most of them looked really healthy, not bony or size 0 at all.
Guys all like different things, thankfully. Same as women. I don't like skinny guys, I'd much rather a well built or large guy than one who feels all bony when you hug him. And would not want to be with a guy who is smaller than me, how can I nick his clothes then?
I know my chap likes a woman with curves, he said he's worried I'm going to lose my curves now I'm working out and cutting out chocolate. Not much chance of that.
:yes: I love all programs to do with diet and health. 1/2 tonne man, you are what you eat, body shock baby with 2 heads ..lol.. I love it all.
From hero to size zero
I like curvier girls a lot , but I also really find size 4/6 girls sexy.
I cant understand people who say all size 0 girls are mal-nurished.
Look at the picture of crystal tipps on the early pages of this thread, she looks fucking amazing.
I actually thought Louise looked ok as a 0, she's naturally tiny anyway, but she also looked fine before.
Why try to force your body into an unnatural state? (it's clearly unnatural when she is only eating 800 calories a day and over-exercising)
I'm not talking about her figure. I'm talking about how ill the dieting made her look. I mean, she looked pale, tired, etc.
Was a good programme to watch though.
It was interesting to note what she said about being a size 8 though. A few years ago, it was seen as more unusual. I remember there being a magazine article a while back where the feature said that 4 women were in the 'size 8 club' and they talked about clothing, comments from other people etc.
I did.
She looked OK, but you could see it in her face she was unhealthy, she was paler, she said herself her hair wasn't as good, she had huge bags under her eyes... Her body looked OK I suppose, in clothes, but she wore things quite baggy on her, but I dread to think how bony she was underneath :no:
Oh I know men and women's definition of curvy usually differs quite a bit. But even so, whenever I go out, its the girls with a petite figure, slim hips and small boobs that get the most attention. Might be because they're the ones I'm looking at most though.
Exactly. They mean like Kelly Brook curvy, which tbh, for most women is even more unnattainable than being a size 4 - without surgery anyway.
Yes exactly...
What I'm saying is, I know my BMI is classed as dangerously underweight... It's 17 and a bit or just a bit less (depending what day I weigh myself)... So if I'm 'dangerously underweight' and a size 8/10... then someone who is a size 4 must be even tinier than I am... or the sizing of the shops is wonko.
I'd be interested to know what the actual measurements of the clothes are that the people who are size 4 on this thread... Cos I'm sure that sizing must change from town to town... Maybe the big cities have bigger sizes or something? :chin:
I think there's size 4 and then there's size 4;
The actual size 4 that's causing all the fuss is the size all these super-skinny models fit into...
and then there's thesize 4 that shops used to call size 6 and want people to feel like they're 'fashionable'... I reckon anyway.
There just isn't any consistancy.
:yes: You always get the size 14+ saying how men prefer curves. But then when you look at all the women in men's mags and on page 3 they're all size8-10 but with a nice arse and big boobs (fake or not). They all have flat tummies and they're all toned.
The best thing is to eat healthily (most of the time
I always thought that European 38 was 10, not 6....