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The Catholic Church blackmails the government on gay rights
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6292315.stmCardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor has denied trying to blackmail ministers over laws on adoption by gay couples.
He said: "I'm not blackmailing anybody. I am just saying to the government the possible consequences of carrying through these particular regulations."
The head of the Catholic Church in England and Wales says, if bound by the laws, his adoption agencies will close.
That's right. Let's close adoption agencies and deprive children from long term adopting parents for as long as it takes, rather than giving them to evil homosexuals.
Very Christian and charitable of you, mate. :rolleyes:
Judging by this threat, if anyone is not fit to care after children is the Catholic Church, rather than loving homosexual couples. I can see who has the best interest of the child at heart and who doesn't...
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No the Catholic Church thinks its okay to be Christian and charitable when it suits them, not when it goes agaisnt there core beliefs.
To be fair, I think that their argument is that the best interests of the child is not with homosexual couples.
Even though I disagree with those who say gay couples should not be allowed to adopt because the child might get bullied, at least their argument has a logic. Blocking someone out because a passage or two in the Bible says they are wrong 'uns is not only wrong but without logic. According to the Bible we are all sinners. We are all imperfect. Therefore the Catholic Church should not consider anyone at all for adoption.
It all boils down to homophobia and bigotry masquerading as religious beliefs.
I can't see why every adoption agency should be forced to take everyone, in fact a reasonable amount of specialism could be a good thing. As long as everyone has the opportunity with some agencies to be considered as a candidate for adopting, they don't need to have that right with every single agency.
Think of the outcry there would be in the government tried to oppress other faith organisations, I think part of this picking on the Catholic Curch is because it's an easy target that few defend.
How is it oppressing them?
Other way around, it's religion being seen as homophobia. Understandably so.
Remember homosexuality is seen is totally against God's wishes and the Catholic Church "doesn't" condone homosexuality in any form (apart from covering uop the excesses of it's own priests
I can't see where they are coming from. I disagree wit hthem but it is completely in keeping with their teachings - just as their view on condoms are - and you cannot condemn someone for being true to their principles.
It's oppressing them because it's saying that they can't practise their faith and follows its teachings when trying to look after children.
Why should religion get special treatment?
Why should sexuality get special treatment, or anything for that matter?
At the moment the right to practise a religion is an enshrined right. If that changes then this would be a different discussion.
How is sexuality getting special treatment here?
Who is stopping anyone practise their religion?
Based on your morals, no. Based on theirs, yes.
They do a pretty good job of it, see if you can find some successful placement statistics for them vs local authorities.
Whatever their morals, surely they're not above the law?
By forcing the Catholics arranging placements to accept Gay candidates then you are stopping them from practising their religion.
Sexuality is getting special treatment because this is saying that the religious principles of specific agencies are less important than homosexuals having the option to adopt from every single adoption agency.
No, but one has to question the morals of a Govt which creates a law like this. Why shouldn't any adoption agency have the right to refuse placements for whatever reason they choose?
It's not law yet.
For the last 20 years Catholic adoption agencies have been approached by homosexual couples interested in adoption. They have been provided with very good and impartial information and if the couple decide to persue things further they are put in touch with a suitable agency.
Now that seems to work fine, why force a change?
Don't be absurd. How is it stopping them going to church, reading the Bible, believing in God?
Well religion is less important. Religion is a choice, a belief system. Sexuality isn't.
Because that then opens the system up to abuse.
Why should religion get special treatment? Should an adoption agency be allowed to refuse couples on the grounds of race?
There is more to religion and a faith than that, and many would argue with your statement that religion is a choice. There are plenty of people who feel it's an intrinsic part of them that can't be changed.
I'm aware of how religion is bound up with identity and culture. However, religion is a choice. People change religions all the time. The same can't be said for sexuality.
Sections of it, not the whole adoption process. Besides don't agencies make moral decisions every day?
Why not, if they feel it's in the best interests of the children they are placing. At the end of the day that is what matters. Make rules for the local authority agencies by all means, but then let the 'specialist' agencies do their thing.
To you maybe, to others no.
This is the same with any agency that spans the entire board. Housing agencies pick people for certain houses based on certain criteria.
This is no different with adoption agencies. And it may seem outdated that the Catholic church denies the right for Homosexual couples to adopt children from their agencies but that is because it is not allowed under Catholic dogmatic law laid down by the Vatican. This is hundred's of years old.
Put the shoe on the other foot here for a second.
You are a member of a group of Homosexuals running an adoption agency. Can you honestly say that you would let a Catholic couple adopt a child if you knew they would teach that child that Homosexuality is wrong?
Answer= No you wouldn't because that would go against what you stand for. These are your morals and beliefs.
If its OK to discriminate on grounds of sexuality, is it then also OK to discriminate on grounds of race?