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Iran hosts "Holocaust conference"
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6172807.stmIranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has met delegates at a conference in Iran questioning the Holocaust, drawing widespread international criticism.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel condemned it and British PM Tony Blair called it "shocking beyond belief".
Iran says it wants to debate what it calls taboos surrounding the Holocaust. Conference participants include white supremacists and Holocaust deniers.
What a fucking twat.
Nice collection of 'academics' he got himself there... :rolleyes:
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Aside from the strange nature of this 'academic' conference, there should be debate on every issue, locking someone up because they say the Holocaust didnt happen is bonkers.
Misinformation is put out everywhere.
please ignore them
They are? With what?
I dare say Stormfront are loving it up along with the BNP.
not really, i mean people are stupid anyway, but if muslims didnt start shouting about how great they are and and how everything else is evil, less people would think these people represent muslim opinion.
saying that, it is idiotic if people think they represent mainstream muslim opinion.
I dunno, what was the USA doing helping the Mujhadeen?
What was the Catholic Church doing helping Nazis?
Some people will do anything to furthur themselves and extend thier network.
Don't you think that's a bit of a stereotype?
unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) the many are tarnished by the few. sweeping statements about "muslims" wont help anyone.
1.3bn people held a press conference? Damn that must have been a sight. What building was big enough to get them all in?
You admit to being an idiot then, becuase this: "its so annoying that muslims are digging deeper holes for themselves" suggest that is precisely what you think.
I think you've misinterpreted what hazell has said there. If you think about it again it makes sense. A group of high profile muslims lead a conference on 'did the holocaust happen' and it is going to cause negative backlash for other muslims.
The planners of the conference, if they're muslim, therefore could be said to be doing more PR for the faith than good. It would be like the Pope or a Christian cardinal saying something offensive. It's only one Christian, but as hazell pointed out, people are stupid...
As for the original story, let them talk about it. In my experience people are far too sensitive about anti-semitism and things like that, I'm not sure why but there we are. The holocaust may way well be the greatest single (collective) act of human... barbarity the planet has ever seen. But by condemning discussion of it surely damages it's credibility, because we are just to accept it as fact?
Of course, when there is discussion about anything, there will be those with loony arguments (as we've seen on this board plenty of times ) but it's up to the people to make up their own minds. I doubt many people will be swayed by this conference, it's painfully obvious they're just putting on a show to piss people off.
Seems like it's working :chin:. As budda said:
:yes:
eta: also wanted to point out the journalism in that article.
I mean, how did he get a job as a journalist? I thought the BBC were supposed to be balanced?
Again, a journalist should report, not make (or imply) judgement. In my opinion anyway. Otherwise it will just get ridiculous where news will descend into anecdotes which will descend into complete fiction.
Or are we there already?
Nobody prepared to give the benefit of the doubt ?
( I wonder if Manouchehr Mottaki said that with a capital H, or is the "journalist" adding more opinion :chin: )
The weight of historical evidence shows that it did happen. What about the millions of stories of Jews, gypsies and all the other groups in society whom the Nazis didn't like, that suddenly went missing and were never to be seen again? I understand those with mental health difficulties were sent to these death camps. By that theory, I would have only a slim chance of life under Nazi Germany.
Effectivly what your saying is youve got freedom of speach as long as you agree with me, as long as you fit into our narrow definition of whats "acceptable"
He's doing it to prove a point about freedom of speach he feels that if Europe has the freedom to critersise Islam, then we should be happy to allow freedom of speach and debate on any issue
But it also has a darker side. Despite claiming to be just an objective, unbiased 'study', Ahmadinejad has repeteadly questioned the Holocaust, and the conference has attracted some of the worst scum on earth.
Suprised I'd ever say this, but bloody good point seeker.
You all seem to have read what western newspapers and politicians have to say. Have any of you actually read any of what the Iranian organisers have to say, or any of the delegates? Have any of you attended the conference? Are they really denying that there was a "holocaust" or persecution of Jews in Europe? Certainly some of the delegates don't. The reality is that you don't really know whats being said, you're just reading western/European opinion pieces on the matter.
You're basing your opinion on the matter on the words of people who are not hostile to Iran, but living in countries where it illegal - on the threat of a prison sentence and public ostracisation - to agree with them, or even cover whats going on from an academic viewpoint. Thats a very dangerous attitude to take.
As a historian I find the weight of evidence showing the Holocaust occurred and that it was a deliberate act on the behalf of the Third Reich overwhelming. But that doesn't mean it is "certain" or beyond any questions. The fact that this conference seems to have been organised out of spite and racist attitudes should not detract from the point that is being made: it is perfectly legal in Europe to say certain things about historical persons and events that grossly offend certain people (e.g. the prophet Mohammed, Muslims) but illegal to ask questions of other historical events that might grossly offend others (i.e. the Holocaust, Jews).
Quite so.
The best example that springs to mind is the current heresy show trial taking place in Mannheim, Germany.
Bizarre, even in the weird world of Legalland.
I find most of them are actually White Nationalists and not Supremacists, in either case they both have an affinity in their dislike of Jews.
It's not illegal to deny the holocaust in Iran, therefore I see no problem with it.
Zundel
as i said people are stupid and that includes msuims
No decent historian has ever said that the occurrence of the Holocaust is questionable let alone fictitious. The ADL keep track of Holocaust deniers. Unfortunately, the naive cannot distinguish between scholarship and the pseudo-academic anti-Semitism of the likes of the Institute for Historical Review.
Some of the not-so-naive cannot distinguish between the ADL and the Inquisition