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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    How's this for a snivelling apology for mass murder?

    I can acknowledge that Pinochet was a dictator. (Galloway interestingly doesn't think Castro is a dictator).

    I support democracy and I condemn all dictatorships; whether they're Communist or military.

    I do not deny that some awful things happened while Pinochet was in charge. But, I think many of those on the left who have demonised Pinochet so fervently have done so to feel a bit better about certain figures on the left. I think a bit over 2,000 are estimated to have been killed by government/military/police forces during Pinochet's rule. And of course it seems very unlikely that Pinochet ordered every single death; power isn't that centralised and most of the murders in Chile were not on a systematic basis. But, I'm not for a moment going to deny that Pinochet was responsible for killing people, mainly because of their political views.

    But when thinking that in Russia, the Red Terror which began after the assassination attempt on Lenin, 140,000 were murdered – these, direct executions by the Cheka the idea that Pinochet is the worst dictator to have ever lived seems a bit hard to swallow.

    If I said Pinochet's regime is defensible, I stand by that for Chile is a prosperous and stable democracy today, and I empathise with those in Chile who agree that it would not be had communism infected Chile. Indeed, considering what happened in Cuba and the experiences of Cuban-Americans as well as the Soviet Union I think in spite of every wrongdoing that happened under Pinochet it was preferable to communism.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    More apologist bullshit. There's Germans who think Hitler was a great man. You might as well defend Hitler for the successes of Germany post war. Pathetic grasping at straws and rather proves my point, especially because you can't just talk about Pinochet. You have to always take cheap potshots at what you perceive to be "the left".

    Disgusting.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Here's an interesting article about the results of free market policies in Chile
    http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=10&ItemID=11491

    That seems a misnomer to me.

    I`d say a free market has got to to be free from interference from ANY outside party other than the two involved in the voluntary interaction in order to be called free.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    R.i.p
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good riddance to the evil old fucker. Shame he escaped proper justice though.

    No doubt a certain someone will be along in a bit to eulogise how Pinochet was not such a bad egg after all.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Rip

    Oooh, looks like I wasn't quick enough.

    You really are becoming a parody dis. :D
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeeeeeesssss!

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    Adios, cunt! :yippe:

    *goes to open bottle for real*
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    woohoo

    burn in hell!!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Oooh, looks like I wasn't quick enough.

    You really are becoming a parody dis. :D

    How does a simple r.i.p equate to a eulogy?

    I don't know why I even bother to reply to your posts, corresponding with a sab certainly isn't something to boast about. I really should put you on ignore.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Snivelling little apologist.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What I find most amusing dis, is that I predict that you will come along and act as an aplogist for mass murder in the name of capitalism. Lo and behold, you do! I then predict that you will eulogise him, then you come along and wish that he "rests in peace" (personally I hope he suffers endless torment from Beezelbub and all his little helpers).

    You can't bring yourself to condemn him can you? You can't bring yourself to condemn a brutal torturer and murderer because he did it in the name of capitalism. I find that quite sick tbh.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Snivelling little apologist.

    :lol: Tbh if those who hate Pinochet so much and are now crassly toasting his death harboured similar feelings towards Lenin I might have some respect for them. But, the fact remains that whilst Pinochet was an unpleasant dictator communist leaders have committed infinitely greater evils. 140,000 died under Lenin, 2,000 under Pinochet yet plenty of those decrying Pinochet for human rights abuses have a soft spot for Lenin. How consistent. I've never condoned the abuses committed whilst Pinochet was in charge (although I will applaud his courageous support for Britain following the invasion of the Falklands) but had Chile succumbed to communism I maintain that ordinary Chileans would have endured far greater suffering - and importantly, Chile would not be the stable and prosperous democracy it is today.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You can't bring yourself to condemn him can you? You can't bring yourself to condemn a brutal torturer and murderer because he did it in the name of capitalism. I find that quite sick tbh.

    Er, I have condemned him before. As a supporter of democracy I condemn Pinochet's methods and his route to power. The abuses that happened in Chile during his rule are deplorable crimes against the Chilean people. I'm glad that Chile has progressed so much since.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You've changed your tune.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    You've changed your tune.

    I do not believe I have. I have never denied or condoned the abuses that happened whilst Pinochet was in office.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This
    Er, I have condemned him before. As a supporter of democracy I condemn Pinochet's methods and his route to power. The abuses that happened in Chile during his rule are deplorable crimes against the Chilean people. I'm glad that Chile has progressed so much since.

    is significantly different from your previous posts.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    This



    is significantly different from your previous posts.

    Elsewhere on this thread, prior to that post, I've called him an 'unpleasant dictator' and acknowledged that he's responsible for mass murder. And I stand by all of my posts on this thread including that recent one you consider significantly different. I don't see any contradiction in my views.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ironic date for him to die... 10th December 1948 was the declaration of Universal Human Rights.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    fireworks-combined.jpg
    :lol: Tbh if those who hate Pinochet so much and are now crassly toasting his death harboured similar feelings towards Lenin I might have some respect for them.

    Sod Lenin, it's Stalin who was the real scummer.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sod Lenin, it's Stalin who was the real scummer.

    Lenin was weak and was the unfortunate object of a personality cult.

    Stalin on the other hand, was a fucking legend. Best ruler Russia had since Peter the Great.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If we're deciding who killed the most

    http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

    Pinochet comes across as a bit of a beginner. There's a fair few on the list still to go, so don't drink all the champagne yet (I'm guessing its going to be Castro next, but Saddam could still suprise us all)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta has a point Dis. You have always found it difficult in here to condemn him outright. There has always a 'but'.

    'Yes but Allende was less than perfect'. 'Yes but commie dictators are worse'. 'Yes but he brought prosperity to Chile'.

    Completely irrelevant when discussing the hideous crimes of the now-rotting-in-hell monster. If you had managed to say 'yes he was an odious mass murdering tyrant' with no 'buts' even just once, your claims that you did not justify him or his actions because of his love of capitalism and a certain political creed might sound a little more credible.

    Even now you felt compelled to simply post 'r.i.p.' Even if you really believed in showing respect for the dead despite their crimes (and I'd bet my house you won't be posting 'r.i.p.' when Saddam Hussein is executed or when Castro dies) you couldn't bring yourself together to say 'he was an evil brute', but a solitary 'r.i.p'.

    Unless this was just a wind-up contribution it does indeed seem as if you're paying homage to the man. You certainly go out of your way to show him in a better light, and you only make statements regarding his appalling crimes when confronted or challenged.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    On News 24 a moment ago, footage of Chileans dancing in the street :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Pinochet was a hero for the ruling class.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Quite. About 5000 to 6000 were celebrating in the streets, but about 4000 supporters were gathered outside the hospital.

    I do hope this is a chance for my country to finally reconcile.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bloody helicopters have been roaming the skies all day... it's driving me nuts! Almost as if we were back on the military days.. it's weird..
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Chileans celebrating
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And the supporters...
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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ding Dong the butcher is dead!!! Countdown to the next murdering military thug.........?
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