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Are Straight People Being Excluded?
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I was looking at MySpace and there are 33,433 groups for peple that are Gay, Lesibian or Bi.
The groups for people that were straight = Zero
The category doesn't even exist.
When you look at going out there's special Gay and Lesbian nights held all over the place. There's special Parades around the world, concerts, etc
So what about us straight folk, anyone feeling left out?
The groups for people that were straight = Zero
The category doesn't even exist.
When you look at going out there's special Gay and Lesbian nights held all over the place. There's special Parades around the world, concerts, etc
So what about us straight folk, anyone feeling left out?
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Not really. You?
You see this as acceptance? I see it as isolationism, you should feel like you need to have your own group.
It doesn't bother me that there are no groups for heterosexuals BUT it did used to bother me when I got hassled in gay clubs because I was straight.
But no, I am not particularly fussed its probably to protect gay people from comments.
i think too much is amde of sexuality tbh. i class myself as gay. i don't feel isolated because of it but i don't feel specifically part of a gay scene either. i'm sure many straight people / gay / bi people feel the same.
having said that on places like MySpace being bi- for example, esp. for girls, is seen as 'fashionable' which is a bit pathetic but its the way it is.
Take a nightclub. If you go to a gay club then you can safely assume that its safe(ish) to hit on people of the same gender, but if you did that in a non-gay club you'd probably get twatted.
If the whole world is a straight bar, it makes perfect sense to show that you are different. I don't think that the thriving gay bars in Newcastle segregate themselves out from society, but they do need to advertise the fact that they are different.
I've never had any hassle in gay bars/clubs, a simple "no ta" seems to do the trick if you don't want to go with the person who's hitting on you.
I have a mate who's gay and back home she was kissing another woman in a club (she isn't a full on exhibitionist or anything) and got asked to stop by a woman. I know at least 3 people who have been jumped for being gay too...
See the thing with gay communities is that yes, they do segregate to an extent, but then doesn't every scene? People complain that gay people always want their rights, their clubs, their own internet forums but then so do people who adhere to certain subcultures... The only difference being you can choose which music you listen to and not your orientation.
I hold the (perhaps too optomistic) belief that one day we won't need a gay scene because sexuality will be seen as so fluid that nobody will care (unless the BNP ever get in).
Actually some of the worse discrimination I got for my sexuality was from gay women!
But then the scene isn't about what sexual minorities make of their own sexuality and labels so much as what the rest of society does.
Again, the attitude that bisexuality is 'fashionable' worries me because it is a genuine issue for a lot of people (myself included when I was growing up, but meeting a certain woman really helped me accept stuff)... I don't see why anybody should have an issue with it.
Which you can go to if you like.
I would definitely share your hope. I do not think the danger to further progress comes from the BNP however. Even in countries that have a far-right equivalent to the BNP with much more widespread popularity, such as in France and Holland gay rights are comparable. And it seems inconceivable that the BNP here will ever become the political force that the Front National is in France. The danger will come, in fact it's already here mainly from Islam but also the strand of evangelical Christianity that is rapidly growing in Britain. And the response of the government? To hand over money to these people so they can open 'faith schools' and indoctrinate children.
I never knew that there's a strand of evengelical Christianity.
The popularity of the BNP is growing, especially where I'm from. However, they have become better with the whole gay rights issue (didn't they want to recriminalise homosexuality before 2002?).. But don't they want to bring Section 28 back? Either way even if the BNP ever got in, they wouldn't be able to implement most of their policies.
I do believe gay rights are getting better in this country and I don't believe that any religion can knock that. We are a secular and liberal country.
What's that got to do with gay rights or religion?
Well there is and it's growing. I've no problem with that however I am somewhat concerned by the likes of Christian Voice...
Indeed. And even if the BNP's popularity is growing people aren't supporting them because of their stance on gays. (Not that the average BNP voter supports gay rights). However, BNP successes are too often blown out of proportion. They're a tiny fringe party with very little support.
I hope you're right.
No, we're not. Unlike the US and France we have no separation between Church and State. Our government funds various religious causes and is encouraging and subsidising the expansion of schools controlled by religious organisations.
Yes, but then has their popularity grown? Or have they just been in the media more?
Maybe little support where you are from, not where I am from.
The majority of people I know are homophobic,but I didn't mean that they'd vote BNP because of their attitudes towards homosexuality... I just meant that with a right wing party getting increasing popularity that has a negative view towards homosexuality, this is more likely to cause trouble than a few right wing religions. In my opinion of course.
Ah, thought our government was supposed to be secular? Or are they funding the CoE?
Examples please?
Ah I see your point. Well yeah, the BNP seem to get most of their support from discontented Labour voters.
Who else do they vote for? Well the LibDems at local level have been making progress in some northern cities that were Labour strongholds. And in London the Conservatives at the last local elections made inroads into several traditional Labour areas. My point is that not all pissed off Labour voters go to the BNP.
A bit of both I think. They're very well organised and unlike the C of E they have a clear message they for the most part all agree on. (And I've read evangelicals within the C of E are growing fast). They seem to be getting pretty big at universities too.
Fair enough, I just don't see any need to panic really.
Well we don't have any formal separation between Church and State.
In France and the US for instance religious schools are privately funded, in Britain most are state funded. It's never been a huge issue because most are C of E and Catholic and pretty open to children of all religions and none, and in case of C of E schools the religious stuff seems to be pretty light.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5087286.stm
Examples from the Uk are above...
Saudi
USA
There are millions of cases of homophobia, it happens in every country. In Iran you can be exected for being gay for example...
Homophobia does exist in the UK, you only have to work behind bars to hear people talking about it, or know members of LGBT communities. Some places are obviously worse than others...
For example a mate of mine used to get rocks thrown at her and be spat at by kids on her estate, another was beaten up in a nightclub and three lads jumped my brother. Somebody started on me in a bar calling me a dyke (I was DJing and didn't have a song for him)... Those were up north. I know down south only one case of homophobia, it was an attack on aguy who is straight, but he's very pretty and looks somewhat like a stereotypical gay... Can't speak much for homophobia in Kingston as I only have 2 gay male friends and my lesbian female friends, none of them look stereotypically gay.
And your website states :-
"Scared Of Gay people, Jews, Blacks, Crab People, Dyslexic people, Disabled people, both mentally and physically, Arabs, Mexicans, dirty poor people, anyone who can't afford a mars bar!"
No... If you meet a person anywhere at work or when going out you naturally assume he's straight, don't you?
So gay, lesbian, bi people form groups so they know where to look for each other. I don't need a community for straight people, because I naturally assume this person is straight except I am taught otherwise anyway.
most gay nights i've landed up going to with mates, would have been better to pull in with all the hen nights there anyway