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You cant compare stuffing your face with shit to someone being unemployed desperately looking for work. That was just 2 fucking pence, it wasn't a pound or it didn't have a stamp whatnot. Its the fact they sent it back opened, knowing full well what and how important it was.
Perhaps if they rang me as they would have seen my number I could have rushed up with my loose change. I didnt know MY letter was stopped. Where in MC. D you do know if your money short there and then!
Yes, but as Scary pointed out it would have been the company that opened it and chose to return it to you, not Royal Mail. And underpaying postage is underpaying postage, whichever way you look at it, 2 pence or £2. Why should they break the rules for you?
There's a lesson to learn here, if you're posting something important then make extra sure you've got the postage right. It won't have made a good impression to the people you were applying to that you can't even post an application form properly.
I'm saying as they had no need to open MY letter, but did anyway and saw it was an application form for work, I would have thought they would had been lenient as they knew what the letter was.
But it wasnt noted. Theres an option for this where the company can refuse to accept. All that was marked was it didnt have package paid NOT that it was refused, and to me thats what matter.
No, Royal Mail withold them at the depot and send a note to the company to collect it. It would have had stickers and details all over it from Royal Mail if they had accepted it too, my underpaid postage stuff has done in the past.
I still don't see why you expect leniency, hundreds of people apply for jobs every day, why are you so special? Royal Mail aren't there to decide how worthy your mail is, they are there deliver it. If you don't pay fully for the service, don't expect to receive it.
Why dont I expect my letters to be opened when theres no need?
'Receiver refused' is when postage has been properly paid and the package gets delivered to the address on the front of the package and when it gets there someone meets the postman and says thank you very much I don't want to take that package.
Underpaid postage is different. It's been put in the post and by accident it has insufficient postage, so Royal Mail take it to the depot nearest to where it's addressed to in the hope that the recepient wants to receive it.
The recipient can then open the letter (it's addressed to them) and make their decision.
IF they say yes, then they pay the lacking postage and an admin charge (50p I think) and toddle of with their letter.
IF they say no, they leave the opened letter with Royal Mail who then attempt to return to sender. It will be covered with Royal Mail stickers but it won't be them who have opened it. It comes under the 'unpaid' category rather than 'receiver refused' because the over riding reason was the under paying rather than the refusal, it was refused because it was underpaid and they didn't fancy paying for it.
It doesn't work like that either, the receiver cant just open a letter and decied if they fancy keeping it or not, or everyone would do that. The receiver wants to know whats inside the letter, they would payed for it to see.
It was checked not enough postage, so why did they open my letter? Unless the receiver had paid the remainder, or my address wasn't present on the back, there was no need to open my letter. And why didnt they send it back asap? Instead of nearly a month later.
We'll see what they say when they reply to my complaint. Unless they refuse to recieve that.
No I'm not.
Because like I said earlier, unlike the rest of their post, they would have had to pay to keep your one since it was underpaid.
It does work like that for under paid items. If the receiver wants it, they have to pay the extra postage required, so obviously most people will only do that if they really want the item being posted to them. SO when they take their little slip down to the post office the conversation goes a bit like this:
'I got note saying there's an underpaid letter waiting for me'
the little man in the post office says
'Here it is, it's 52p if you want to keep it'
Customer 'I'll see what it is'
LMITPO 'Here you go, since it's addressed to you you can open it'
C 'Hmm, some application form, don't really want to pay to keep that, and don't really want anyone that can't post things properly, so no thank you, I won't pay to keep it, you have it back.'
LMITPO 'I'll return to sender as underpaid postage then.'
The receiver would have opened your letter (as in the script above) to see what it was they would have to pay for.
Why would they send it back asap? It wasn't properly paid for so hardly deserves priority.
Probably that you were a plonker for not paying postage properly, but that they are sorry for any inconvenience caused.
PS. Please learn the difference between your and you're
Yes, but they wouldnt have been able to see the contents of the letter unless they paid for it.
No really the role play isnt like that. Until they pay and sign for the letter is when they are allowed to open it, not before they sign.
If they paid or signed for it, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to. You dont get it, once something is signed for, thats the only time it becomes there property. If they didnt want to pay the "LMITPO" as you put it wouldn't have handed it over to them anyway.
Oh so I delibritly sent it unpaid now did I? :rolleyes:
FFS there not going to hold back for nearly two months (thats right I re checked the date sent 13/10/06) just because I was two pence short.
Yeah, thats right everyone that sends an A5 envelope with a few pages in it and only uses one first class stamp, that's ONLY 2p under postage is a plonker. It must be hard being the only intelligent person around.
Is that an attempt to try and make me look like an idiot? I think your ideology of thinking people can just take things that arnt there property without paying and signing for it, is idiotic.
I cant stand people like you that bable stuff and when your told it isnt true you attempt insults. So stop postin if its really getting to you.
At the end of the day, you were in the wrong. The company opened your letter to find out whether it was worth paying the money (the 2p plus admin costs - I think it's £1), Royal Mail sent it back to you. The end.
Sorry it's harsh, but it's the reality of the situation.
FFS get of my fucking case about "couldn't be bothered to check", check what? An A5 envelope with a few pages in my eyes and most others wouldn't cost more than 1 first class stamp. It was only 2 pence not a pound 2 pence. Thats stupid saying I didn't bother checking when I am out only 2 pence. Gees.
That's the case both for both the post offices that deal with the places I have worked and the one for my house.
As for them keeping it for so long, it will have been dealt with as 2nd class post on it's journey out, then waited in the depot until the company came to see it (which was probably for a couple of weeks, we always waited 'til the time limit before going to check anything that way we'd accumulate other stuff to do at the post office in the meantime), and then it would have been put in the return to sender heap and returned to you as second class post.
It's harsh, but it's a commercial company, not your nanny.
Then, if the company didn't open it, RM opened it to see who sent it because the company didn't come to pick it up. That will also be why it took a month to be sent back. The company didn't come and collect it so it went back to you.
If I was applying for a job (which I have been doing recently) then I would *always* check the weight of the application form. More often than not it weighs more than you think. The 100g is only a few sheets of paper. The company would see it as laziness IMHO. Some application forms that I have filled out pointed out that we should check postage otherwise they will reject out application. It was tardiness. And would've cost the company that extra pound.
Below is the app. form I sent. Obviously I'm not going to snap the front of it with my details etc. Its 3 A4 pages, weighs about the same if not less than a card. Folded in a A5 envelope, who would say it take 2 stamps?
Obviously, Royal Mail
Tough luck
Which obviously happens all the time for regular post....? :banghead:
Its funny your the only one that still hasn't 'cottoned on' yet, perhaps banging your head like that will knock some brain cells back in, or give you a nasty headache so you dont keep posting the same incorrect crap.
Funnily enough, you seem to be the only one under a different impression of how the system works to the rest of us.
Or are you the 'sheep' that follow everyone else.
So enlighten me oh great one on how it works. (This should be fun)
How am I a 'sheep'?
Perhaps if you read the thread with a mind open to an explanation other than your one you might see how it works. I'm not explaining it again, its rather like trying to explain something to a brick wall and I don't have the time, I have to go to work. That and I'm currently left with the feeling that I might get more sense out of a brick wall, which is never an incentive to carry one.
Thank you for recognising my greatness though, its very decent of you
Most companies will not pay for underpaid postage as most big companies send out pre-paid envelopes for stuff they need or want.
Royal Mail will open the envelope if they cannot see a return address on the envelope, in order to work out who to return the letter to, and you give them the right to do so when you post the letter. Sometimes the postal staff miss the return address on the envelope and open the letter.
Royal Mail will not deliver an underpaid letter because you haven't paid for them to do so. Quite rightly too, I reckon.
They are allowed to, and you agree to that term of postage- how else are they supposed to return to sender?
You didn't pay enough, so instead of ballaching about it, you should put the right postage on it next time. Hopefully RM tell you to piss off with your complaint. It isn't their fault you don't know how to put the right stamp on an envelope.
If the envelope was stuffed full then it will be too thick for the lowest 1st class price.