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North Korea detonates nuclear bomb

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    Not only nukes but a very strong conventional military.

    So you're saying that if France didn't have a military the US would have invaded?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm saying (and I've said it many times already) that weak nations can and often will be attacked by the US if Washington sees it can gain from it.

    Are you denying this? Yes/no?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    (Dunno why, French wine is blatantly NOT the best at all).

    Cheap French wine can be a bit risky, Australian and Californian prob safer but if you're spending a few quid French is the best. Shame it's normally the cheap stuff for me.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    I'm saying (and I've said it many times already) that weak nations can and often will be attacked by the US if Washington sees it can gain from it.

    Are you denying this? Yes/no?

    Er yes...How did the US benefit from Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Vietnam= driven by America's deep phobia and fear of communism; desire to ensure it has puppet regime in the area as opposed to ally of Soviet Union

    Afghanistan= desire to install friendly regime, furthering PNAC agenda and vision

    Iraq= oil control, desire to install puppet regime in place, cementing US presence in area, furthering PNAC agenda and vision


    If you actually think the US doesn't attack nations without any other reason other than furthering its interests and global vision, would you care to explain what kind of selfless act of sacrifice exactly prompeted the US to attack, bomb or invade the following nations?

    China 1945-46

    China 1950-53

    Guatemala 1954

    Indonesia 1958

    Cuba 1959-60

    Guatemala 1960

    Congo 1964

    Peru 1965

    Laos 1964-73

    Cambodia 1969-70

    Guatemala 1967-69

    Grenada 1983

    Libya 1986

    El Salvador 1980s

    Nicaragua 1980s

    Panama 1989

    Sudan 1998

    Afghanistan 1998
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    If you actually think the US doesn't attack nations without any other reason other than furthering its interests and global vision, would you care to explain what kind of selfless act of sacrifice exactly prompeted the US to attack, bomb or invade the following nations?

    Nice copy/paste job.
    Aladdin wrote:
    Grenada 1983

    The US, Canada and a few Caribbean countries invaded days after the Prime Minister was executed by rebels behind a Marxist coup...The landing day of US troops is known as Thanksgiving Day in Grenada.
    Aladdin wrote:
    Libya 1986

    Er it was prompted by Libya murdering hundreds of Americans...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    They have some good resources there, you know! Plus the Wine industry makes loads... (Dunno why, French wine is blatantly NOT the best at all).

    Actually the French wine industry would collapse if we didnt pay them to destroy or turn into ethanol tens of millions of bottles worth. Another joy the CAP gives us.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Disillusioned wrote:
    Nice copy/paste job.
    Well if the US hadn't attacked in excess of 20 nations in the last half century I might have been able to type the names manually- but this was a lot of writing to do, I'm sure you'll agree.


    The US, Canada and a few Caribbean countries invaded days after the Prime Minister was executed by rebels behind a Marxist coup...The landing day of US troops is known as Thanksgiving Day in Grenada.
    How nice of the US to intervene to crush a rebellion. Who asked them?

    Er it was prompted by Libya murdering hundreds of Americans...
    Was it really? And which murder would this be? Seeing as Lybia had fuck all to do with Lockerbie and all...


    Anything to say about the many other escapades?

    Please let's not pretend the US has not been abusing its position of power for decades and illegally and pointlessly attacking nations for no good reason other than to serve its own agenda eh? We're all more intelligent than that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wait...what did the US of A get out of invading the Sudan? And did they really launch an invasion of Libya...or are we talking a few black ops boys with a sniper rifle? Shame the list has to be post-WW2 only, if it had been the entire 20th Cenutry you could have listed Russia during the civil war there too.

    Anyway, lets look at the North Korean situation...its just a guy with a buffont hair style, 17 children to a variety of women, a chronic alcoholic (like most successful world leaders ironically) and an avid hollywood fan who writes musicals. This is all just posturing...China are pissed, the South Koreans are now entitled to devolop Nuclear technology in their eyes and the eyes of the world as their greatest enemy threat has them now and probably the Japanese will begin "defensive" re-arming as a result too, thus pissing of the Chinese all over again.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Also...didnt Colonel Gadaffi admit that the Lockerbie bombing was sponsered by the Libyans and pay reperations for it only recently?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Libya bombing wasn't in retaliation for Lockerbie, but in retaliation for a series of terrorist attacks supported by libya culminating in the bombing of a disco in Germany which killed a Turskish woman and two US servicemen.

    Most people seem to accpet that Libya was behind Lockerbie, though there is potential doubt on whether the right people were convicted
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bullseye wrote:
    Also...didnt Colonel Gadaffi admit that the Lockerbie bombing was sponsered by the Libyans and pay reperations for it only recently?
    That was one of the demands the US and Britain (and indeed the UN) made before crippling sanctions on Lybia would be lifted.

    The conviction of one of the suspects for the bombing was more than dubious (so much so that an appeal is in progress). The whole case was an immense cover-up; and this is no tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

    The plane was brought down by Palestinian terrorists on behalf of Iran, which was seeking revenge for the accidental destruction a year earlier by the Americans of an Iranian Airbus passenger jet resulting in hundreds of deaths that. Indeed, the US government and CIA initially point the finger at Palestinian terrorists but later switched targets. The 'evidence' presented to incriminate the two Lybian men was so laughable it would have been thrown out of any court in the UK.

    Anyone in doubt is advised to order the Lockerbie report by Paul Foot published by Private Eye.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Disillusioned wrote:
    Cheap French wine can be a bit risky, Australian and Californian prob safer but if you're spending a few quid French is the best. Shame it's normally the cheap stuff for me.

    Meh, I find better stuff comes out of Eastern Europe, and also from the Asian areas.

    And Australia makes some Beutiful wines!
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