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Achieving a 2:2 degree - rant
Pearly
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Stuart tells TheSite.org why getting a 2:2 is by no means a failure - have a read of his rant and let us know your thoughts...
http://www.thesite.org/community/reallife/rants/degreesuccess
http://www.thesite.org/community/reallife/rants/degreesuccess
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getting a 2.2 i wouldn't say thats a faliure.
anything less than that i would tho.
might have been a better story is someone with a 3rd / pass shared their thoughts on not being a faliure
Similarly, with:
'Yet I believe that developing a close social network of friends and developing interests and extra-curricular activities is just as important as having your head buried between the pages of an academic textbook'
I wouldn't say sitting in the pub getting loaded more often that you study justifies 'extra curricular activities' or developing 'close social networks'. Sorry, but this rant seems like a rant about the fact the author didn't have his cake and ate it (i.e. getting drunk (or 'socialising') all the time and not being able to get a decent degree) rather than the virtues or benefits of getting a 2:2.
Poor article IMO.
While I do agree with some of his points (it's not failing to get a 2:2, more like the equivalent of a B/C grade at school maybe), a lot of people manage to get a 2:1 or a 1st while still having a life, like me for instance. Doing well doesn't necessarily mean you have no friends and no life!
Can't.....work....door....handle.....tiny mind....can't contemplate...pushing down...while....pulling....
Phew, I'll have a wee seat then try again...
i agree with IWS that it's more about aptitude than effort because me and my group of friends had a similar lifestyle throughout uni, and out of 10-15 of us only me and one other guy got a 2.1, and he really did work his arse off towards the end of the year, most of my other mates just missed out so it was a fine line........looking back i would be kicking myself hard if i'd done all those drugs and hadnt got a 2.1 because all the top I.T. graduate employers want that as a minimum, so I would be really limited now, but as it is everything worked out and life is pretty sweet. :yes:
fuck you're right you know i bet it was so hard knowing you could do an essay the night before and still come out with a 2:1. poor you.
i work hard and i will be very happy if i come out with a 2:2.
So, the degree grade is an indication of performance at a particular time and like money investments maybe not be a future indicator.
Personality and experience count for a lot. Also, the cliche of who you know not what is true.
Also, think of Bill Gates - he dropped out of college.
Some well known business leaders are dyslexic.
In short, the most important thing is to play the game: be that trying to pass a degree or saying the right things at work to impress or get noticed. The education system will never be perfect. But like everything else, take advantage of it and what it can help you do - don't pursure it for its own sake.
If someone feels inadequate about their grade then this might motivate them for the future to do better.
Even if I say so myself.
You would say that.
Due to me fucking up the last year (had alot of shit going on) I'm going to have to work very hard to get a 2:2. If I get it (which I think I will if I work hard) then I'll be happy.
Sure, when I came to Uni, I was all like "I can't get anything less than a 2:1, bla bla bla" but now, I'm going to be happy with a 2:2. If I get a 2:2, I'll know I've worked for it, etc.
I'll be happy in having a 2:2 Law degree.
I certainly do my job better :grump:
I did a writing degree, and the only two people on my course who got firsts were both foreign students who had english as a second language. :chin:
In any case, a lot of employers these days aren't that bothered what you studied or what grade you got, only what your learned and how you are able to apply that to the job they want you to. No mark is a failure (except maybe a fail), you just have to learn how to make it work for you.
I don't get what makes you say that? Maybe you're smarter, canny, wily or whatever, but can you really equate a 2:2 with being more intelligent (i.e. book smart) than people who got 1sts and 2:1s? I suppose it depends on how many types of intelligence you believe to exist.
While I agree in principle with this, I don't think it's the full story. Of course people are going to be interested in what kind of grades you got, otherwise there would be little point in people asking about them. If two people are the same in the interview, same skills, personality, outlook, ambition etc, but it comes down to the degree mark they got, the higher one is going to get it.
From my experience, the 'students' were much less hard working and able than most other employees, didn't take work very seriously.
I guess it's all well and good having a 1st, 2:1 or whatever but if you turn up to work with piss in your shoe after a night out (actually happened) then it don't count for much.
I think nowadays interview technique and experience count for a lot, and while in some jobs a good degree is essential, a 'poor' degree can be made up for by demonstrating your good points, skills etc.
well that depends what sector or industry you work in, a lot of the big corporate employers are pretty snobby when it comes to grades....
Another factor is that some students will spend a while after uni just doing an office job while they figure out what they want to do. Therefore they might not be giving the job thier full attention and effort. I mean if you're gonna be leaving with a year or six month, are you really gonna care about the performance or reputation of the company you are working for? You should do of course, because it can get you good references, but it's difficult to put a lot of effort into something you know you won't be doing in a few months.