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It's a good thing if it's controlled and managed properly. It becomes a problem if it isn't.
Out of interest, what do you think the top 10 are?
As for the list, I'm not sure in which order they should be; but certainly issues such as the railways and the water network (should be in public hands), PFIs in schools and hospitals, the NHS, tax avoidance by the rich, our not-so-ethical foreign arms sales, our so-called special relationship with the US, our foreign policy in general, our poor relationship with the EU or the continuing erosion of freedoms under the Big Brother state are infinitely more important issues than immigration.
Immigration is only good for a country when it is controlled.
You need to stop your obession with blaming things you don't want to believe or hear on someone reading a tabloid newspaper. It really makes me laugh. Get real!
Again you have failed to read the policy properly. I have said I will stop immigration for a year, not forever.
I personally believe my policy would be welcomed by the British people.
I.E The implementation of socialism. Never.
You can kid your self as much as you like, multicultralism is failing, immigration is out of control, the British people are loosing their patience.
One of the most successful periods for the far right in Britain were back in the days when there was practically no immigration at all.
The few idiots who consider voting for far right parties do not do so because the country is overwhelmed by immigrants.
But immigration itself is not in chaos. We are not being overwhelmed with immigrants at all.
Yes, thanks to the shit-stirring, lies and manipulation by the country's two best selling "newspapers".
Not necessarily true, but it is a moot point anyway because immigration in Britain is not uncontrolled. Not by a thousand million mies.
What else could I blame when there are people out there like yourself who actually believe there is a problem with immigration?
Someone has to be putting such absurd and untrue ideas in your head.
And there was all of us believing immigration, far from being a problem, has brought untold prosperity to Britain.
Silly us...
'Forced'? LOL!
One year is still too much. There is no justification whatsoever behind it. Just knee-jerkism.
No is not. Where do you get such ideas from?
Do you actually understand what multiculturalism means?
Bullshit it is.
No. The racists and shit-stirrers are losing their patience. The population at large couldn't give a shit, because there is no shit to be given about anything regarding immigration.
As reported by the BBC
Now we all know the number is probably more than 329,000. There is a big difference between 13,000 and 329,000+ and lots of councils are struggling to come up with the funds to provide for the additional services required for new immigrants.
Meanwhile guess who wants more unlimited immigration? The biggest beneficiaries of cheap labour - business.
Of course we require skilled workers - although the long term solution for that is improving our own education system so we do not have skills shortages. And the idea that unskilled immigrants do work Brits refuse to do is only half-true. The fact is for many people on welfare unskilled labour is so poorly paid taking a job and going off welfare won't make them much better off. And with there being an unlimited pool of cheap labour to take these unskilled jobs wages won't go up. We need controlled immigration, we need a flexible visa/guest worker programme where immigrants are admitted based on whether they're needed here. Only a miniscule minority of people support unlimited immigration. The left is keen to incite the results of opinion polls in their opposition to the Iraq War, funny how they don't do the same when they're demanding continued unlimited immigration.
But we know that's not the case. We also know the British market has absorbed the new arrivals without problems. We also know that ever more British people move abroad.
As such, there is nothing wrong with unlimited immigration from the EU, and liberal acceptance of immigrants from elsewhere in the world.
Ask anyone who has had home improvements carried out in the last couple of years or so. The arrival of Eastern European builders, plumbers and electricians have been a universal blessing and a great breath of fresh air for all. Now you can get a job done on time, on budget and professionally.
No we don't. Places like Slough are really struggling.
From The Times
Slough Council is broke...
Do you know any primary school teachers? The one I know, an NUT activist in fact is bewildered by what's happening - her school is massively oversubscribed and half of the new intake don't speak English. Parents of existing pupils are becoming disillusioned and it's hard to see how standards are not slipping overall. I'm not going to dispute the fact that immigrants from EU member states are hardworking and have contributed a lot but to allow it to continue unlimited would be a mistake I fear.
Why does it need to be unlimited? Why can we not provide for our needs through a visa/guest worker programme?
The problem with this debate is, it is no longer about immigration. An extreme right-wing tabloid media has hijacked an important, legitimate debate, and attempted to turn it into a race issue. Notice how keen they've been on racial profiling recently, for instance? They then come out with "it's not racist to talk about immigration". Who actually claimed it was in the first place? I await the next Daily Mail piece where they talk of 'floods of aliens bringing disease into our great country' or other hate-inciting bollocks.
Spain is absolutely teeming with British people. Imagine if we decided it was time to restrict their right as EU citizens to live, work and buy property in Spain...
I guess you're going to to say because everyone will be coming to England and not to anywhere else. But time after time after time most of it turns to be bollocks pedalled by our ultra right wing tabloid press. Remember the S*n's infamous "SEE YOU IN JUNE" headline in January last year claming more than a million people from one country alone were planning to move to England (to claim benefits of course)?
Things tend to regulate themselves. Many immigrants who came to England have returned to their countries only a few weeks or months later- something the tabloids fail to mention, due to lack of space no doubt. It is foolish and untrue to assume England will be getting the lion's share of migrant workers from new EU members.
And this is a for Luke, more than anyone else. Just an example of how our wonderful free press manipulate the gullible:
Move to Britain? They're all drunks and psychos
Millions of Spaniards fled Franco's dictatorship and set home in Europe and South America during the 50s and 60s. Some people have short memories indeed...
oh that is because they were stupid enough not to, for stupid protectionist policies and pandering to their own right wing press
if you read the independant earlier this week, almost all leaders of big business prefer the immigration as it is fuelling this countries economy as we lose people in trades jobs
the only reason english plumbers are moaning is cause they cant get away with ripping you off due to a shortage anymore
I've heard many a British tradesmen is pissing off to Spain where they can live in the sun and continue to charge silly money to the British expats living there
And this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4974870.stm
This describes the contrary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party#Mid-1980s The BNP have never had so much support.
Again you are wrong for the 3rd consecutive time. I don’t think you have ever met someone who has voted or intends to vote for the BNP have you? Clearly you haven’t.
Wrong. Answer me to why there is more support for the far right than ever before? Why is the issue always on the agenda? Don’t start your rubbish about tabloid newspapers. Answer the question instead of hiding behind some fantasy of yours that tabloids are to blame for everything. I find it laughable that you actually think immigration is not a problem. It shows how out of touch you really are!
Yeah – best selling newspapers. What does that tell you? I think the people can see for them selves that the system is in utter chaos by the way their local areas have changed.
Immigration in this country is very relaxed that is why we allowed over 600,000 eastern Europeans into the country the last two years that does not include illegals, immigrants from other parts of the world and asylum seekers.
You start with by respecting what I say instead do saying it’s an abstract from a tabloid newspaper?
The rules have been relaxed – Fact. Don’t you see the correlation?
There are good and bad sides to immigration you know. It’s not just a bunch of sunflowers.
Check out what the British people think…
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/2003/migration.shtml
Go down to the bottom…. The British public would of preferred very unpopular Michael Howard to Blair during the 05 general election to curb immigration
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/2005/s050419.shtml#q9
More polls on immigration…
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/polls/2005/obs050409.shtml#q13
Sill you!
I can’t recall when the British public were asked if they wanted multiculturalism, relaxed immigration and asylum policy.
LOL! So come on then, you tell me how it’s doing then?
Even the commission for racial equality would say you were wrong!
More to the point, do you?
Get real!
You are VERY out of touch, you really are!
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So why are we ignoring history? Why is segregation and ghettos allowed?
Wrong. People them selves are seeing the negative sides to immigration. Immigration can be a good thing for a country but our laws are so relaxed it is abused therefore no confidence. So what? What are you saying?
It’s not. Who says it is? Still to this date I am labelled racist when I spell the word immigration or asylum. There’s your proof.[/QUOTE]
Don’t you remember the claim the government made that only 13,000 of them would arrive? God they were wrong and guess who were right?
all newspapers put some good stories and some crap stories
even the daily mail had a good story about royal mail doing all they can to stop you cancelling junk mail
stop detracting from the subject at hand - its possible to like one person/groups views on one thing and dislike another
My answer to you Aladdin is remember the governments quote on how many eastern Europeans they expected to arrive? Then what was the real result? Who were right?
I’m sure the Guardian were saying how racist the Sun were being to suggest more than 13,000 of them would arrive but they were right and the Guardian was wrong – as usual.
have they all claimed benefit, no, nowhere near, who was right there then
as most have come form poland, guess what polands economy is improving and so has our from this movement
what 'interest' they havent taken jobs you want to do, in fact the only problem i really see from it is a lack of summer work for students as people who follow seasonal work get them now, otherwise i havent seen any problems from the polish community, infact my old house had a bunch of polish people move next door, who were very nice people :thumb:
Secondly, they're all anti business when they feel like it but they're happy enough to be on the businesses side when the debate of immigration arises. Don't they realise that business exploit immigrants? DOH workers rights?
So much opportunism here.
Stick to your principles, if you have any!
i think he'd agree with me, and say of course it isn't okay
just because america and SA practised legally enforced segregation didnt mean we did, did it make us odd - NO, in fact it make me think we should be proud we didnt follow other countries when they were in the wrong on certain things
But benefits weren’t the issue. It was the amount of them coming in.
All of Poland’s skilled are coming here, I don’t see that as something positive for Poland in the near future.
See you don’t get it. The issue isn’t about whether they have jobs or whether they’re nice people or not. It’s how we can sustain the increase in immigration and the affects on the British people. [/QUOTE]
erm im against a lot of business practices, but im not against business as per such, and you cant just blindly ignore the views of one group no matter how silly they may seem, as sometimes they come up with okay views and ideas on how to deal with things
dont put all your eggs in one basket springs to mind - that is most peoples' problem these days, they see things far too much in absolute! theres principles and theres good practice, which need to be balanced
id like to see the minumum wage increased to a real living wage, and more enforced so quality of service from workers not how low they can go is done - also most people come here, come here and make a positive change to their life which surely is a good thing