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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    RE should be the responsibility of your school. As you learn about history so you should know about judaism, islam, buddhism, hinduism, sikhism etc etc. Your parents won't teach you all that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh sorry, I meant the education about the religion your parents think you should believe in should be up to them to teach you. Learning about other religions should be down to the school.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote:
    You know religious education is about understanding what people believe. Everyone should have that.

    Absolutely. It's useful, and interesting.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Fiend_85 wrote:
    RE should be the responsibility of your school. As you learn about history so you should know about judaism, islam, buddhism, hinduism, sikhism etc etc. Your parents won't teach you all that.

    Yup.

    But indoctrinatio is what I think people are getting at here - e.g: Religious schools putting thier own spin on it, and changing this and that, etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, yes. But you might as well say that about those islamic schools for learning the koran, or sunday school or whatever. Where do you draw the line?

    for the record, just spotted faith schools aren't all badhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/5246084.stm?ls
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Faith schools provide a biased religious education, whereas the religious education in non-faith schools tends to have less of a bias. For RE at my school, we looked at all types of faiths.

    I had this as well, but in Year 7, they did try to force Christianity upon us. (even the Muslim students)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote:
    You know religious education is about understanding what people believe. Everyone should have that.

    Not going to faith school is fine, because they're for people of that faith. But all children should have religious education.

    Although parents should still have the right to withdraw their children from it if they want to.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I probably would tbh, although it depends if the local state comp's were up to scratch, if they were then there's no point.

    If the kids have got their heads "a bit in the clouds" as some people say, I think that's down to the parents.. if my son went to private school I know damn well I'd keep it real for him at home.... so to speak!

    By the way to the OP, when I was looking at private primary schools for my son, it was around 2500 per term, so approx. 7500 per year, a lot of cash yeah but not exactly un-doable is it. I think the expensive part is having to have your kid hanging around with the kids with infinite funds coming home wanting this and that lol.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fiend_85 wrote:
    Ok

    comprehensive is a standard state secondary school as opposed to a state grammar school, where the brighter 25% of the country's children are sent after taking a test.

    Faith schools can be both state and private/public.

    Renzo and I for example both went to single sex state-funded grammar schools. My step-sister however goes to a single sex private catholic school.

    When I say private I mean one in which you pay additional fees to send your child. The actual correct reference is Public due to the origin of the schools, this doesn't make any sense in my head. So public and private are both used to talk about schools where you would pay fees to send your child.
    Thanks :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    as for methods of schooling in private schools or whereever

    i have no problem with creationism being taught in schools, just you shouldnt teach it in science lessons, as its not actually science
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I went to a private faith school.
    If anything the school year after year continues leading among the top schools in the country - as well as providing science in science classes, and knowledge about other religions in religion class to such an extent that when I went to high-school, I had to explain the christian kids about their traditions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    7500 per year, a lot of cash yeah but not exactly un-doable is it.

    :eek2:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    its very doable if you sold all your sense down at cash converters for the cash


    but what about the year after that :chin:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Interesting question.

    I went to public school (private school, but even posher and more expensive). I personally hated it, not because I thought it was full of elitist people or because I thought the notion of fee-paying schools was wrong or any of that guff. I was bullied that is all and I shan't go into the details suffice to say that even though I hated it, it wasn't down to the system or anything else. Bullying happens everywhere.

    Unless you're fortunate enough to live in an area with really good state schools, fee-paying schools are sometimes only the viable option if you want a first-rate education and I cannot deny that my school did indeed provide a first-rate education (one third of the teaching staff have PhDs, some have two) and it got me into a Russel Group university. Would the same have happened had I attended state school in Winchester? I guess, if you'll permit me an arrogant statement, that I'm clever enough to have gotten to the same university (probably into Oxbridge if I'd gone to state school ;)) however, I probably, in retrospect, wouldn't have been as rounded or have gotten as full an education if I had attended the state schools in Winchester as they are on the shit side of crap.

    That said, I think there are certain types of people whom private school suits better than others and that there are certain schools within the private sector who suit some kids better than others. Some people simply do not suit the private system, not for lack of intellect or ability, simply that the system is geared vaguely to a certain type of person.

    Now this is not an attack on the state system or the people who went to it. Nor is this an attempt to say "haha I'm better than you" because I went to a top public school. These are merely my experiences versus the other options that were available to me and my rents.

    So to answer the question, would I sent my kids to public school? I don't know. I've had the experience of it to be able to better judge and Mrs. T went to grammar school so perhaps we are in the best possible position to be able to judge what type of school is best for the kid. That said, I want nothing but the best for my kids and if the best education for them comes at a price tag, naturally I'll pay it.

    If you don't like private schools then that's fine, but don't jeopardise your kids' chances just so you can make a political statement.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    its very doable if you sold all your sense down at cash converters for the cash

    I suppose it is doable if you earn 40 or 50 grand a year, though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :eek2:

    ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ?

    Being able to spend £7500 a year on education :p

    I know that's how much they cost, it just sounds like a lot of money to have after eating, living etc!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have to answer this on a hypothetical basis, obviously, but here goes.

    Would I send my child to a private school? Hell, yes. I'd do anything for my kids. Anything to get them out of the dreadful, failed comprehensive system. Until the education system is totally overhauled - more grammar schools, a massive increase in selection, allowing people to proceed on the basis of merit instead of nasty, spiteful political correctness - I would definitely send my kids to a private school. Inevitably, people will now try and attack me on several fronts. For daring to stick two fingers up to state education? Suits me. Parents want the very best for their kids, precisely what "bog-standard" comprehensives (the most truthful thing Alastair Campbell ever said) don't provide.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    £7500 a year?

    Mate, in the private sector, that's quite a bargain.

    The top public schools charge around £20k a year. And that's just for education and accomodation.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Private schools tend to have nice things like swimming pools, athletic tracks as added bonuses to the rest of the academic yada yada. There are loads of advantages in using independent schools- lower staff:pupil ratios, specialisation in areas like dyslexia etc. It's a shame that our state schools aren't all up to the high standards in most independents. That said, there are some fantastic state schools and some awful independent ones. I was educated in private and state schools, though mostly private, and from my experience the private schools are better (but maybe I'm biased because I like swimming? lol)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    My mate's mum is a teacher at my old grammar school, her opinion of private school pupils who arrive for sixth form, or from primary school, is that they're not all that. They lack self-discipline, because every night someone has sat them down for their homework, and made them do it, at school. When they don't have someone telling them "three sheets" (prizes for those who know what question is) they can't handle it. Which is one of the things I have against private schools. My step-sister is going to get ripped to shreds when she goes to sixth form at a state school.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    icey wrote:
    Personally its public schooling all the way for me! It never did me any harm and i wouldnt want my kids growing up with a jaded view of the world and its inhabitants.
    In my opinion, people who have come from private school tend to be a bit clueless about the real world and seem to adopt only 'false manners' wherer they pretend to be humble and to be greatful for things but you can tell they're really thinking how much better they are than you because they've grown up with money.
    Not necessarily true. Although i agree about the cluelessness, that doesn't apply to every person who goes to private school.
    And they're not necessarily pretending to be "humble and grateful"- has it not occurred to you that perhaps if they're being grateful it's because they were taught by their parents that policeness is an excellent policy?
    And not every kid who went to private school went there cos they grew up with money. Various of us had scholarships or parents who worked every hour god gave them in order to pay for their child to have a "better education".
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