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Or if Hezbollah abduct her....
Ah... well.... in go Israeli tanks... to get some civilians. They won't last out... a guerilla war cannot be won with conventional means.
Oh FFS. :rolleyes:
How about you point out where I have actually said that?
I am pointing out that Hamas etc use their civillians as sheilds, whereas Israel doesn't use theirs. If you read what I write and not what you think I write, then perhaps you would see that in general we are agreeing.
You just cannot seem to accept that Palestinians are happy to use the deaths of their civillians as PR, even if that means putting them in the way first.
Actually she was flown from Cyprus on a Sea Hawk with heavy security escort...hehe
In post 192 you quoted me saying "I could post a cartoon- or even better, a photograph- of examples of Israeli soldiers murdering children".
To which you replied "not their own".
From that I understood that you were suggesting at least Israeli soldiers don't kill their own, while the Palestinians do. I think I understand now that you were saying something else. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Incidentally I know both sides are happy to exploit any deaths of their own to their full potential.
In the name of fairness, Israel doesn't use their citizens as shields because it doesn't need to. If Israel were fighting an infinitely superior adversary that had the capability to destroy all their army barracks and bases effortlessly you can bet your bottom dollar they would be doing exactly the same as Hezbollah.
Having just got back from Zante I unfortunately wasn't out there showing my support for Israel. I'll perhaps join a counter protest next time Israel hating scum are out and about though.
Don't think any of us hate Israel, buddy.
The right for Israel to deliberately murder civilians and destroy entire neighbourhoods?
If there were any chants or banners in that demo to the tune of "we support the right of Israel to defend itself but acknowledge their response have been disproportionate and unjustifiable", it would have my sympathy. If not, sorry but they're nothing more than murder apologists.
Well... were there such banners or chants?
And incidentally, who are this "Israel hating scum" you speak of? Have they been about anywhere?
Blame the terrorists, not Israel.
I am not comfortable with what Israel is doing but the ball isn't in Israel's court.
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Israel should stop its killing tomorrow too. Israel doesnt have to bomb civilian targets and kill hundreds. Compared to a handful of missiles from a terrorst group getting to them. Im growing to detest the Israeli administration everyday, the fucking cunts.
Both sides need to stop the violence right now. And Israel needs to negotiate whether it likes it or not. What Israel doesn't need to do is go overboard and commit war crime after war crime killing civilians purely out of spite and revenge.
And what does it do instead?
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/285B14DF-5EE4-4733-ACB4-F2EE55F3E0BA.htm
As I said, civilised nations do not commit such atrocities regardless of what the other side is doing. That is what makes the difference between 'us' and 'them'. And at the moment (and in fact, at any one time for the last few decades) there is no 'us' and 'them' between Israel and Hamas/Hezbollah. They are all the same.
I totally agree.
I wouldn't call thousands of missiles a fucking handful.
Compared to a whole army with thousands upon thousnads of soldiers guns and artillery? Which are being used to bomb the crap out of innocent lebanese people FOR THE FUCKING SAKE OF IT. PURE EVIL. Both sides are doing wrong but Israel is doing far far worse. War Crimes.
blame your politicians and your military.
Blame Arthur Balfour.
10? 20? 100? 500? 1000? 10000?
Like Alladin said, both sides need to cut it out!
Renzo, handful of missiles? Just yesterday about a hundred Gatusha missiles were fired. Luckily they are not very precise.. and not all of them reach the area, but it's hardly a handful.
I find the report that a senior army officer has said to destroy 10 buildings for every missile into Israel a bit hilarious really. Obviously I don't know whether what was said is true, but come on....(I am an F-15I pilot just flying about Lebanese airspace picking off high rise building from 10,000 feet...bollocks)
I fear for any Peace force put between the two sides, to be honest!!
Dont call me fucking ignorant.
I just fail to see how people like you can justify a state invading another state and killing its civilians and claiming 'oh there were terrorists' is killing 100s of people worth the killing of one member of Hezbollah? and asnwer the fucking question this time.
I do not despise the existance of Israel and dont fucking accuse me of such thing. I despise its militarististic and expansionist policies. It has been ilegally occupying land for 40 years after all and mistreated and killed many many arabs. This is just another chapter in the violent states warmongering.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
Thats all i can get on it for now. From my understanding though the British took land that wasnt theres and gave it to the Zionists, despite its Palestinian population.
And so the story begins...
attacking and brinbing a country and it's people to it;s knees ...when it aint that country causing the problem ...is what this thread was about i believe.
Zionists bought much of the land...it was freely sold. To talk of 'Palestinians' at this time is pointless, there was no separate Palestinian identity at this time - there simply being Jews, Arabs and Christians...There was lots of movement from Arabs in surrounding areas to the areas now known as the West Bank/Gaza. (To an extent even some Arabs - now known as Palestinians, their ancestors were encouraged to move to Israel/Palestine by the development brought by the Zionists). The area has also always had a constant Jewish presence. As was the case then, and as is the case now there is no reason why there cannot be a Jewish state and an Arab state living alongside each other in peace. (The Zionists accepted twice such a solution only for the Arabs/Palestinians to opt for war, hopefully now - over 50 years late a Palestinian state will materialise). If a Palestinian state can accept Israel and live in peace Israelis and Palestinians will be the beneficiaries - as well as enjoying peace the region would boom economically. But I won't hold my breath given the penchant for terror of the Palestinians. (Electing Hamas, etc).