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OH GOOD LORD!
So you think its better that there's no incentive to plead guilty, which means every rape victim has to recount what happened to them?
No they don't. The say you will serve half.
If 10 years means 10 years, you will just get 5 for burglary instead.
As for the other points, if you are on licence and commit any crime- including not obeying the terms of your licence- then you will return straight to prison to serve the rest of your time.
Disillusioned, even if you are "caught red handed", you are still entitled to a trial to ascertain whether the evidence against you is strong or not. If you got no benefit for pleading guilty you would not plead guilty, meaning every case would go to trial, costing a fortune in legal fees and court costs. After all, there would be always a tiny chance a demented jury would find you innocent, and if there's no benefit there's no risk in having a gamble. For this reason nobody ever pleads guilty to murder (the minimum sentence is life), even if 150 independent people saw you stoving the woman's head in with a mallet.
Interestingly enough, its been proven several times that the general public, when given full access to all facts of a case, would give a sentence between 10% and 25% less than what the sentencing judge gave.
Thats probably because the public give you an answer of how long they think they should actually spend in jail, the judge gives a sentance with the knowledge that they won't serve the full time in jail thus in reality the public are probably harsher than the judges as most people serve less that 75-80% of their sentance.
Jails that give an easy ride are the Category C prison my mum works in. The inmates there get:
There's a bit of a starting point.
When it comes to Community service people don't necessarily use their talents and I don't want to see a humiliating chain gang but something that has more impact on their life than an 3 hours in a charity shop on a Saturday morning which actually counts as 4.5 hours of service because the time they spend travelling to get there counts too.
If its not like that it should be. If a judge jails you for 10 years, you have a chance of getting out in 5, but you also have a chance of doing the full 10.
If you are sentenced to 10 years, then you do 10 years, not 4 years. We need credability in the justice system as I have no faith in it whats so ever!
I don't know the ins and outs of it but if, as per the points raised above, lack of good behaviour reductions and guilty plea reductions result in witnesses having to face trial and greater expense within the legal system- that would be an injustice for innocent victims and honest tax payers, surely? I would have less faith such a justice system, imagining that it would breed reluctance to report crime, particularly personal violations, resulting in less criminals brought to justice and perhaps a rise in (what's that word where your brother's go beat up the baddies?- mental block grrr)
When you say that prisoners get free board and lodging, free entertainment and teh other 'advantages' you list it is not like people are there by their own free will. You hardly propose that prisoners don't get food, toiletries or medical care. If you were saying there were conjugal visits or something like that taht would be different but what you list are pretty much the things all people should have by right.
I think that there should be a second stage of a sentence where people who are released have a 'community service' type job for 3 months or whatever and are paid a proper wage with accomodation provided. People could move on from that if they found their own job but this way people who wanted to take the opportunity to get their lives back on track would be able to do that.
I'm not keeping silent on this subject any longer. Jim V, you tell us it won't be accepted here. Ever since I first came on the boards, people been doing this. I've been the victim of it countless times, and it's always the same people who do this as well. The normal process is either you or Helen come along and tell everyone to play nice. I'm sorry, but that simply isn't good enough anymore. TheSite.org also claims to "be an inclusive social environment enabling all young people to express themselves and address the issues that concern them.". It sure as hell doesn't feel inclusive when this happens.
Encouraging debate doesn't mean people don't have the right to question what you say - especially when it can seem so far from their own personal experiences.
In addition, seeing a conspiracy of people deliberately attacking you, doesn't mean that this is actually happening, as opposed to a series of individuals who all disagree with you - and given your focus on the idea of everyone being either from a conspiracy of the left or from the right is going to happen.
By the very nature of political debate, if your views are from a perspective that is extreme and continually matches the most right wing viewpoints then many are going to disagree on a youth board - yes people shouldn't personally attack you, but people can challenge you and can disagree with you.
I would say that on the politics board people will feel their views are being attacked, inevitably, but that they shouldn't feel personally attacked. The latter we won't accept, the former shouldn't be hurtful but is a part of this section.
I understand that I can't really have much input in this since I have previously broken rules and have been banned once. However, this board simply hasn't changed. It is the same old characters and they know who they are, bullying other members on this form that do not share the same political opinions and ideologies as they do. I have also noticed that a lot of the bullying is given from the older members of the forum, it's about time they grow up and given disciplinary action.
Why are members allowed to continue to insult others by swearing and labelling all of the time and nothing is done about it?
So sue me.
Thank Christ for small mercies eh?
I don't for a second propose that prisoners should be starved or denied reasonable access to basic facilities. What I do object to is that despite having done wrong they are getting their board and lodging for free when the innocent have to work to pay for it and that they get better/cheaper access to other provisions than others do.
I also don't see why anyone who is being paid a proper wage should have accomodation provided for them. I can go along with prisoners doing community service in exchange for their board and lodging, or a small wage in addittion to board and lodging, but not both. Maybe thats just me and my humble opionion.
Have you even read what he said? You think crime is just some formality, I'll admit it will always be prevelant but there's a lot we can do make sure people don't become criminals in the first place. This would eliminate the need to waste money building and facilitating them in prisons in the first place.
Yes. Education, mental health provision, drug treatment provision, a reform of the benefits system, proper job opportunities etc etc.
Of course it does you simpleton!