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Like where? People seem to be suggesting that the UN has thousands of troops it can just pull out of no where.
And even if you could get loads of Muslim UN troops they'd be the wrong sort of Muslim to a large chunk of Iraq.
Thus, people from various Arab, Muslim and neutral countries could volunteer a number of troops. They don't need to be many. It's only when you are conducting a country-wide illegal occupation of an entire nation that you need troops in their hundred of thousands.
But no government in their right mind would sign up to this. And you would need a lot because there really isnt any other police or armed forces.
under sadman there was freedom of religion.
if you opposed or threatened the status quo then you might well find electrodes attatched to your nuts and sadmans boys raping your granny but ...your average window cleaner ...teacher ...petrol pump attendant or buisness man had very little if anything to fear.
saddam ruled with an iron fist but the country was well fed well eductaed and well supplied.
look what WE have turned it into now.
and people wonder why they hate us and our ways ...ways which we are frocing upon them ... :chin:
The US should send 500,000 troups to Iraq to squash themselves. Well I'd settle for that! :thumb:
OK so if all the people on here who bitch about Blair (rightly or wrongly thats not the point) were facing "electrodes attatched to (their) nuts and sadmans boys raping (their) granny", you're telling me it would be ok for other countires to stand by and let it happen? He had to be removed IMO. For me that is good enough reason for this war. I don't give a shit about the weapons of mass destruction or whatever, Blair and Bush didn't need to feed me that crap to make me support it.
We let Hitler get away with it and look what happened...
Ok we'll go with that line of thought. Why are there still countless leaders of countries around the world who are 10x worse than Sadam but haven't been invaded or even threatened with invasion? The war was founded on a lie.
I agree it was founded on a lie you are right. I still maintain my view though.
I don't know why others have not been invaded, nothing in it for the us or uk? I didn't say I supported their reasoning.
Do the ends justify the means though? I.e. was it worth it? If I had to chose, I'd rather Iraqis live under Sadam than what they have now and the threat we as Westerners face because of the invasion. Any day of the week.
Personally I believe the ends do justify the means, but I don't think that the ends will be seen for many many years.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I realise I'm in the minority on here.
I do not feel any more threatened by terrorism as I did prior to the war in Iraq.
Nothing is worth this IMO.
we can get on with our comfrtable lives whilst their country is blown apart.
iraq was a thriving and reasonavbly stable country.
house prices were still going up in baghdad on the eve of the invasion cos ...the ones who welcomed it believed the yanks would topple saddam and then leave but no ...they disbanded the army the polkice the government ...with nothing ...not even any idea about what they were going to do next.
the vast majority of the population in baghdad were worrying about getting to work in the morning through the london type traffic jams ...not anymore!
saddam hated extreme islamists ...they hated him cos he allowed xtrians and night clubs with strippers and drugs and alcohol etc.
he was the best ...the very best thing the west could ever hope for in the so called war on terror ...now look what we done.
I was simply answering Turlough's questions about how I feel as a "westerner", I do not dispute that whilst this continues the people of Iraq are facing terror on the streets of Bagdad and their country is being torn apart, IMO it had to be done, for the hundreds/thousands slaughtered under his control. Surely his 'ethnic cleansing' had to be stopped, surely it isn't right that people are forced to live under a dictator's rule?
very questionable.
you don't realy believe our governments give a toss about any of that do you?
while we were selling chemical weapons to him to use on the iranians and ...on the very same kurds that churchill wanted to gas?
if the reality your projecting is true ...when will we invade suadi to free their people?
if this great thing we call democracy that we wish to force on them with shock and awe and torture and dead children is to work ...then they will HAVE ...to vote for who we like.
if they vote for who they like ...we will have to bomb the crap out of them again and again until they learn.
look at palestine.
they have democratic elections and the people vote for someone that america and israel don't like ...so we now retaliate financialy and with threats of violence and refuse to have anything to do with them!
is all the death and destruction we are inflicting on innocent people realy worth it just so that these people ...are then only allowed to vote for who we say so?
hitler was bent on invading and conquring a continent.
he was bent on world domination.
saddam wanted to westernise the middle east ...
Well no I don't think our governments care but I do.
Of course innocent people are going to die it is a war after all, but just this week a mass grave was found with the bones of people murdered under Saddams regime.
Did the Iraqi's really vote for who they liked though? Or was it that they were too scared not to vote for Saddam, too in fear of their lives to stand up to him? I bloody well would have voted for him too if I was them, oh no wait I'm a woman maybe I wouldn't be allowed.
Innocent Germans were killed during WW2 were we wrong to stop Hitler killing jews?
I believe it is a comparison actually, he got that way because we appeased his killing of innocents. Again that is my opinion and I accept that many disagree, including yourself.
hitler was bent on dominating a continent ...financialy politicaly and militarily ...we went to war to stop him running our lives ...not to save the jews.
surely they will now welcome our political ideals with tears in their eyes ...
But this is my point, our intervention did save many jews and freed Germans from a dictatorship whether or not that was our governments initial intention.
I was under th impression that at some point many moons ago Saddam was elected into power by his people, obviously I am wrong but never the less my point remains the same. He lead through fear and I believe it is right that other countries in the world should stand up to him.
We should remove dictators and fear from our world yes..
I would also hope that lessons have been learned in Iraq, I don't think stretching our forces any further in any other countries would be sensible. I think the UN should also play a bigger part in any future attempts at such a thing.
We are just going round in circles, I respect your views and I would hope the you respect mine.
Out of interest though...
If the uk was suddenly taken over by a dictatorship where women were given no rights and people excuted for speaking badly of our leader would you hope that another country would try to put a stop to it or not? Bearing in mind you could be shot dead in a gun battle if they did or you could be shot dead for disagreeing with a dictator if they didnt?
it's not ok for hitler to invade other counties that pose no threat ...but it's ok for us to do it is what your saying?
hitler wanted financial control of europe and it's resources ...we want financial control of the middle eastand its resources /....but we're the good guys when we kill and destroy?
i don't realy understand this kind of logic i'm afraid.
I don't believe we are doing the above and it isnt my logic, it might well be my governments logic but it isn't mine.
Thats ok I don't expect everyone to understand me.