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Dutch paedophiles launch political party

Dutch paedophiles are launching a political party to push for a cut in the legal age for sexual relations to 12 from 16 and the legalisation of child pornography and sex with animals, sparking widespread outrage.

The Charity, Freedom and Diversity (NVD) party said on its web site it would be officially registered on Wednesday, proclaiming: "We are going to shake The Hague awake!"

The party said it wanted to cut the legal age for sexual relations to 12 and eventually scrap the limit altogether.

"A ban just makes children curious," Ad van den Berg, one of the party's founders, told the Algemeen Dagblad (AD) newspaper.

Toddlers should be given sex education and youths aged 16 and up should be allowed to appear in pornographic films and prostitute themselves. Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said.

The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.

Full article and more details here


So the million dollar question is: if some tried to set up such a party here, would you want them banned from forming it or would you allow it?

A very tricky question... I'm undecided as it is. Would probably, and very relunctantly agree to its formation provided they limit their language and claims- i.e. simply campaigning for a change in the law, but not spreading any bullshit claims and not targetting of children during any campaign.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    um....its very very dodgy but im guessing its very unlikely the Peadphile Party would be able to form a government. Theres not that any of them about. Its just very strange. You know somethings wrong when the Dutch say no though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    they're advocating behaviour that's completely illegal and immoral, sex with animals and with children is sick and wrong. I think I'd probably want the party disbanded, as much as some will say that puts us on a slippery slope.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    is this for real?

    "We want to get into parliament so we have a voice. Other politicians only talk about us in a negative sense, as if we were criminals," Van den Berg said.

    :eek2:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ... why should people that want to rape kids have a voice on the matter? :s
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    as if we were criminals

    hmmmm....maybe because they ARE criminals?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    . Sex with animals should be allowed although abuse of animals should remain illegal, the NVD said

    haha what the fuck? so it's all good if the animals say yes eh?
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    hmmmm....maybe because they ARE criminals?
    Yeah.

    This is quite wrong. Children DON'T know, they are NOT really responsible at that age yet.

    Laws exist for a reason, ya know. This is just a bit sick.

    Like it'll get anywhere though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Outside of Amsterdam, Dutch society is actually quite conservative and straightlaced. I don't see this being more than a local phenomenon.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Disgraceful as it is they should be allowed to stand and not be banned. If they break the law individuals within that party should suffer the penalties.

    There seems to be some link to NAMBLA in the US

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

    which while an extremely distasteful organisation is still legal.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    Disgraceful as it is they should be allowed to stand and not be banned. If they break the law individuals within that party should suffer the penalties.

    There seems to be some link to NAMBLA in the US

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

    which while an extremely distasteful organisation is still legal.

    I thought that was just a piss take in South Park. :eek2:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    So the million dollar question is: if some tried to set up such a party here, would you want them banned from forming it or would you allow it?

    For their own safety some would ban them. I wouldn't.

    It's interesting that pederasty was once acceptable in various societies, Graeco-Roman and Aztec societies obviously but there's still no place for what NAMBLA advocate in a civilised modern society...The libertarian ethic should always apply to matters of sexual ethics. Anything where it's all consensual is generally OK but where mature and free consent cannot be given (as the case with children) it's absolutely wrong in all circumstances.

    NAMBLA interestingly at some points in its history had close links with the gay rights movement, or rather it was actually part of the gay rights movement for a while. Although then again some would say you did not see many 16 and 17 year old teenagers out campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent, plenty of bearded 50 year olds though. Not sure I know of many young people campaigning for a reduction in the age of consent to 14 either but that has still not stopped Peter Tatchell.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What's the biggest cause of paedophilia in the UK?

    Sexy children.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Sexy Children?

    Is that a subtle way of saying that shops shouldnt sell provocative clothes, such as thongs, to pre-teen markets?

    Or just a joke?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    A joke of course.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cool! Twas funny...though sometimes people on here are too intelligent for humour! lol
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not convinced by a party with these sorts of ideas, but more discussion on the matter is definitely needed, to get rid of this "Quick - go kill the local paediatrician!!!111" mob mentality. Also to clear up all these muddy definitions people have: 'paedophile' and 'child molester' used interchangeably; people's confusion about what constitutes paedophilia (attraction to prepubescent children) and what is simply illegal in our society (sex with a 14 year old). Anyway, if anyone's interested in starting a discussion then let me know; I have an excellent post from a different board from a much more eloquent guy than myself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    . Also to clear up all these muddy definitions people have: 'paedophile' and 'child molester' used interchangeably; people's confusion about what constitutes paedophilia (attraction to prepubescent children) and what is simply illegal in our society (sex with a 14 year old).
    Logically all of us as humans have sexual urges, Yes! well if ur a paedophile then surely one day that urge may become molestering, i agree it needs to be discussed but only to let children aware of such people but if that urged turned to your child and some greasy person started tooching your child how would you react?
    sit the paedophile down and say you can be a paedophile but dont let those urges overtake you?
    allowing paedophiles to watch child porn isn't acceptable either because some poor little child has to be filmed, etc and child porn could be the step on the ladder towards molestering?
    i think it should be nipped in the bud, quickly
    usual i'm a liberal and all for freedom of speech, i hate hat the BNP stand for but unfortunately they have the same right as me to speak, but paedophilia is putting the most innocent at risk
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's interesting that they set up the party and outed themselves. They're basically saying that they don't think they are doing anything wrong. Quite an insight into their minds.

    Sorry, I have nothing real to contribute to the debate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The party also said everybody should be allowed to go naked in public and promotes legalising all soft and hard drugs and free train travel for all.

    This bit genuinely made me laugh out loud. You can almost imagine the after-thought happening!

    "Hmmm, don't want to seem like a bunch of sexual deviants, better throw in some free train travel"
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know about the Dutch rail network but seeing the state the British railways are in, that could be a very clever move ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin wrote:
    I don't know about the Dutch rail network but seeing the state the British railways are in, that could be a very clever move ;)

    I was in Amsterdam over Easter weekend and the both the trams and trains were very punctual.

    I am, however, going to travel a 160 miles by train this weekend for the princly sum of £28, no doubt having to change in London and get on numerous tube trains. God, i hate England's train service. :grump:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well, if the UK has signed to the Childrens' Rights' Convention then I'd say no, they shouldn't be allowed to exist as it openly violates that agreement, as the participant States are supposed to do everything in their power to promote and protect these rights.

    But really... form a political party? :eek2: I would guess first they'd try to change the law... If they want to form a party only to change those laws... then they haven't understood what a political party is about.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think its a good thing in a way. Give you an extreme, and if you draw a spectrum from the norm (where sex with minors is just... no) to that extreme, then pretty much everyone will fit on it. It opens up a debate, and maybe can start promoting the treatment of peadophiles. From having read posts / blogs of people involved in the CPS, peadophiles dont tend to be 'evil, sadistic bastards' or whatever, but more, sick individuals who become addicted to the power. Obviously, putting them in prison for 2 years wont help.

    The agenda this political party has is obviously a scary one - but it will never be met, and hopefully by people who do have those kind of... leanings... (im being careful with my words here) being able to talk about it more, perhaps there is more scope for getting mental issues out in the open.

    Maybe?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It seems pretty ridiculous. That's like me starting a party that wants to see rape legalised. Even if it got into power, it's the courts that control the law, so any 'amendments' would just be thrown out.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would have no problem with a Paedophile Party existing, as the spokesman says, everyone has the right to a voice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I would have no problem with a Paedophile Party existing, as the spokesman says, everyone has the right to a voice.

    i doubt the kids have much of a voice in paedo circles
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    muse- wrote:
    i doubt the kids have much of a voice in paedo circles


    They don't have a political voice at all, which is the point here.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Free train travel and legalized drugs?

    I'd vote for them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Can you really imagine a naked 10 year old kid stoned travelling free on a train to another beats house?

    Nahhhh.
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    Can you really imagine a naked 10 year old kid stoned travelling free on a train to another beats house?

    Nahhhh.

    That is a worrying idea.

    Either way, as I said, it is unlikley they'll get anywhere. And I daresay Germany would invade them again if they got voted in.
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