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England Striker Crisis!

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Regardless of Rooney or not I stick by my statement in another thread. I think you'll be shocked and just miss out of qualifying for knockout stages.

    I've had my Trinidad and Tobago footie top shipped over from the islands.

    :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lickalotapuss wrote:
    To play 4-5-1 doesn't mean you have to punt the ball to Owen to hold it up so the midfielders can get involved, change of tactics is needed. Use the ball on the floor get the ball out wide to Becks to deliver his trademark balls to Owen, lamps n stevie through the middle or crossfield balls to Cole either out wide or arriving late at the back post. OR balls out to Cole to do his tricks, beat his men then delivering into danger areas.
    Well I would play that myself if it wasn't for the fact that as soon as we end up under a tiny bit of pressure, we'll start doing the usual punt it up to owen tactic. He'll just end up isolated and he'll be easy to mark. I think to play this type of game, you need a Mark Viduka style striker, who can play with his back to goal and bring other runners into the game. And I don't think Beckham's as good as SWP (or Dyer, or Lennon for that matter) in this supporting the striker role. He's much better at the right of a 4-4-2 whipping crosses in, which wouldn't be his main role in a 4-5-1. For beckham to be effective, you need to get players in the box. In a 4-5-1 (well it'd actually be a 4-3-3), beckhams main role would be to make runs into the box himself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm With Stupid wrote:
    Well I would play that myself if it wasn't for the fact that as soon as we end up under a tiny bit of pressure, we'll start doing the usual punt it up to owen tactic. He'll just end up isolated and he'll be easy to mark. I think to play this type of game, you need a Mark Viduka style striker, who can play with his back to goal and bring other runners into the game. And I don't think Beckham's as good as SWP (or Dyer, or Lennon for that matter) in this supporting the striker role. He's much better at the right of a 4-4-2 whipping crosses in, which wouldn't be his main role in a 4-5-1. For beckham to be effective, you need to get players in the box. In a 4-5-1 (well it'd actually be a 4-3-3), beckhams main role would be to make runs into the box himself.
    Agree about the pressure comment and if they're punting balls obviously owen isn't the right man.
    Beckham in supporting the striker role??? Never seen that so wouldn't know :confused:
    This all comes down to tactics again, as I'm seeing it it would be Lamps n Stevie making the runs into the box for Cole and Beckham to deliver. But your scenario is also correct if thats the way Sven decided to play it but thats not the way I'm thinking. I'm thinking Stevie, Lamps n Owen make up the front 3 with the 2 midfielders just behind.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not the supporting the striker role, more having Joe Cole and Beckham playing the same roles as Kaka and Ronaldinho do for Brazil. Creative wide players, but not really wingers (which is why I don't think Becks would be the best for this role). Of course Brazil play it with two strikers and two defensive midfielders, whereas I was thinking one striker, one defensive midfielder, then Gerrard and Lampard in the middle.

    Don't know why were talking about it really. We all know Sven will just play 4-4-2 whatever, or maybe the diamond (:nervous: ) if he's feeling adventurous.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm With Stupid wrote:
    whereas I was thinking one striker, one defensive midfielder, then Gerrard and Lampard in the middle.

    .

    So Owen, Carrick, Gerrard and Lampard, with Joe Cole just behind Owen and Becks on the right.
    :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    To win the world cup you need your best players fit and on form, Rooney is Englands best player, he can win you matches when the team is playing badly.

    I don't think England have anyone who comes close to Rooney, you should stop deluding yourselves. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Reports (nothing confirmed as yet) this morning that Rooney's injury is worse than expected and more than likely to be out till August.

    :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im not sure what to think, I feel sorry for Roon, but I couldn't give a fuck about England or the world cup and the last thing I want to see is Rooney rushing back, not recovering properly and struggling for us next season.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    Im not sure what to think, I feel sorry for Roon, but I couldn't give a fuck about England or the world cup and the last thing I want to see is Rooney rushing back, not recovering properly and struggling for us next season.
    US??? I'm sure you'd turned your back on your club because of the Glazers and was now a firm supporter of FC United?? Or is that just when it suits you??
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm With Stupid wrote:
    I think crouch or even ashton would be better as a lone striker to hold the ball up, and Wright-Phillips or dyer (now injured) would be a better supporting winger than Beckham would be. But then we can't have king becks not playing, can we?

    Let me get this right.

    You're going to drop England's most prolific striker, and one of England's most consistent players?

    And you're then going to replace them with two players who haven't had a kick of the ball all season, and a Championship striker?

    Thank fuck you're not the manager.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lickalotapuss wrote:
    US??? I'm sure you'd turned your back on your club because of the Glazers and was now a firm supporter of FC United?? Or is that just when it suits you??

    I think I need to clear something up, I am, and always will be a United supporter, all FC fans consider themselves United fans. I renewed my season ticket for this season because I was in two minds and didn't know what to do (I knew from the first home game of the season it was a mistake). Next seasons renewal form went in the bin a couple of weeks ago, just because I refuse to pay the ridiculous prices the Glazers are asking and accept the commercialism of football these days doesn't mean I am any less United. Its time to take a stand.

    I actually left half way through the second half on Monday, I've never done anything like that before, but the place has become soulless. So Sunday will be the last time I goto Old Trafford as long as the Glazers own the club. It will be an emotional day, I still can't believe its come to this but I'll take comfort from the fact that there are thousands like me and I'm doing what I think is right.

    Manchester United AND FC United supporter.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    To win the world cup you need your best players fit and on form, Rooney is Englands best player, he can win you matches when the team is playing badly.

    I don't think England have anyone who comes close to Rooney, you should stop deluding yourselves. ;)

    Bullshit. :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    migpilot wrote:
    Bullshit. :yes:

    So which England player compares to Rooney then? Hes the most naturally gifted footballer of his generation (English).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    Manchester United AND FC United supporter.
    Fair enough
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    Manchester United AND FC United supporter.

    Is that not like being a Rangers AND a Celtic fan?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NinjaMaster wrote:
    Is that not like being a Rangers AND a Celtic fan?

    Or like being a Rangers fan and desperatley wanting Aberdeen to win tonight? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bri-namite wrote:
    Or like being a Rangers fan and desperatley wanting Aberdeen to win tonight? ;)


    Weird set of circumstances ain't it. Hibs actually wanting Rangers to win last night to chase Hearts. Rangers wanting Aberdeen to win tonight (Or a draw). And everybody (Except Hearts) for the first tim ein the history of the World cheering on the blues at the weekend.

    Personally I think we've blown it. Hearts ain't gonna be easy tonight and I think your in for a humping. But saying that you've kept things tight over the weeks so shut up shop and I'll settle for a 0-0 draw.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NinjaMaster wrote:
    Is that not like being a Rangers AND a Celtic fan?

    Why have people got it into their heads that FC is a rival club to United? I would say that about half the people who goto watch FC still goto Old Trafford as well and those that don't watch the games in the pub.

    FC was set up as an option for those United fans who refuse to give Glazer any money, can't afford to go anymore/never could and if you'd rather goto the match and stand, sing, have a laugh with your mates, afford to take the kids etc everything thats no longer available at OT.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    Why have people got it into their heads that FC is a rival club to United?

    I apologise. That was the impression I got. That the club was started up after Glazier bought over Utd by a heap of fans to "rival" Utd.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Back to the actual topic: england strikers

    I think that this has shown one thing, Sven didnt use friendlys effectively. If he had done then players like Johnson, Ashton, Bent would of had more experince. As it is now out of the 4 strikers i expect to see go (Owen, Crouch, Bent, Defoe) only Owen has the key experience of playing a number of international matches. The squad id take would be:

    GK: Robinson, James, Green
    Def: Neville, Terry, Ferdinand, A.Cole, Carragher, Young, Campbell, Bridge
    Mid: Beckham, Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Lennon, J.Cole, Nolan, Downing
    Att: Owen, Crouch, Defoe/Bent, Ashton

    Thats who i'd take, if Scott Parker or Ledley King recover then i'd take one of them instead of Downing. Ashton sneaks in because he is a different striker to any other thats we had annd Owen/Defoe/Bent are all very simliar so it would be a waste to take all 3. Joe Cole could also be used just behind Owen.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ive just realized though that instead of Ashton how about Marlon Harewood. He has been playing consistenly well this season. Not only has he got pace but he is also good in the air and has alot of strength.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    film_buff wrote:
    Back to the actual topic: england strikers

    I think that this has shown one thing, Sven didnt use friendlys effectively.


    Its impossible to use friendlys any other way, nobody wants to play in them and nobody wants to watch them. Its just bad luck, can't see how anyone can critcise Erikson for it.

    Im suprised nobody has attempted to blame Fergie/United, I mean how dare we play Englands best player when theres a WC coming up? :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    Im suprised nobody has attempted to blame Fergie/United, I mean how dare we play Englands best player when theres a WC coming up? :rolleyes:
    Get a grip moron

    As for the friendlies, how the fuck do you use them for situations like this?? It'd be like building up to the World Cup thinking "all my best players wil be injured, lets give some people who won't even make the squad a run", which is stupid. You should use friendlies to get your team working as a team, these players only play on the same side a handfull of times a year, you need to get them working as a team, one complete unit, this is only done with practice and games together
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lickalotapuss wrote:
    Get a grip moron

    I was hoping for a bigger bite than that :razz:
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    JsTJsT Posts: 18,268 Skive's The Limit
    C'mon Emile Heskey!

    :eek2: :eek2:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    godscop wrote:
    I was hoping for a bigger bite than that :razz:

    :razz:

    Though I wouldn't be surprised if that Scottish bastard deliberately injured England's best player;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    :razz:

    Though I wouldn't be surprised if that Scottish bastard deliberately injured England's best player;)


    Duscher got the blame for Beckham last time because he's an argie.

    This time it seems that Prtugal are after us. First they stopped Scolari from becoming manager, now a tackle by a Portuguese playing for a team managed but a Portuguese has injured our best player... coincidence???
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    Let me get this right.

    You're going to drop England's most prolific striker, and one of England's most consistent players?

    And you're then going to replace them with two players who haven't had a kick of the ball all season, and a Championship striker?

    Thank fuck you're not the manager.
    No, because I wouldn't play that system. But Crouch and Ashton would both be better in that role (i.e. holding the ball up or knocking it down for runners) than Owen. You ever seen Owen as a lone striker? I don't think you can just put your best 11 players on the pitch, play any tactics and win a game. Obviously you do.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lickalotapuss wrote:
    You should use friendlies to get your team working as a team, these players only play on the same side a handfull of times a year, you need to get them working as a team, one complete unit, this is only done with practice and games together
    Then bring the odd player in to try them out, rather than trying all of the younger players together, so you end up with no idea whether they'll fit into your team. What's the point of people 'proving themselves' in a team that bears no resemblance to the team they'll end up playing with.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Defiantely take Owen, not sure bout rooney, maybe crouch but i dont like him, def take bent and maybe dean ashton from West Ham!!!
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