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Yes, but its also a deterrent to the rest of us - I'm not going to fiddle my insurance claim, partially because fraud is wrong, but also partially because I don't fancy jail. It may not deter everyone, but it certainly deters a lot of us
Certainly, like I said, it does have some deterant factor, but only to those who arent going to be nasty prisoners anyway.
The violent, nasty and anti-social criminals either dont care, have nothing to loose or dont think they will get caught. Which is why rehabilitation is so very important, because otherwise you'll see their face again within the year.
Mea Culpa - I meant to add protection, but I was about to head for a meeting.
But I think it is protection in its widest sense, not just violence, but to protect me from coming home and finding that my PC has been half-inched.
Don't get me wrong - I do think that jail has a redemptive role. But even for low category, its not its only role.
And I'm not sure that rehabilitation works without punishment - telling someone that theft is wrong and teaching them a skill, is probably less effective in many cases than telling its wrong, teaching them a skill and punishing them*
* within reason a thirty year sentence for car theft is probably excessive, though I imagine it would be one hell of a lesson
first and foremost ...a punishment that is a deterrent.
rehabilitation is a fine idea and we should be aiming at it but ...it would hardly be needed if the economic situations of a lot of people were better.
if the upringing of children was more loving and stable and if the education system actualy worked for everyone.
take a look around you ...how many people know nothing ...aren't interested in buggar all beyond their own shallow existence?
the cost of rehabilitation if widely implemented would be vast!
social workers teachers ...specialist teachers ...tradesmen of every ilk ...councilors ...mental health workers psyciatrists etc etc.
who is going to pay for all of this and how?
not many proffesionals would like to work in such conditions either.
If bank robbery was legal, would you hold up HSBC?
Er, yes...
But to be more serious when we're growing up and being socialised in right and wrong most parents do the carrot and stick approach, praise when you do things right and being shouted at and off to your room when you decide to use the best china as a frisbee.
Our own sense of morality is the carrot, prison is the stick.
Or do you believe that if bank robbery was legal HSBC wouldn't be being robbed on a regular basis?
Whilst I wouldn't, I also served with the UN in Bosnia, where the sanctions against rapes committed against Moslems, Croats and Serbs were pretty non-existent if you were armed and they were off a different nationality. So it does seem if the sanction is removed plenty of people would...
I think I'd agree with that.
And in this country you can get away with rape if the girl was wearing sexy knickers, so rape numbers are going through the roof.
But at the same time there are some quite hefty sanctions for smallish offences, and people still do them. Prison only really works for those who have something to lose.
Yep, who wouldn't if it is legal, then might as well do it...
1st 3 are the same....
it'd be a good thing if all first timer non violent or non sexual offenders get years worth of community service instead of prison
and its not as if we have much liberty in this country anyway, not like i can go outside parliament and campaign for these things
Possibly it only works as a deterrent for some people.
But if someone is jailed for car theft, it protects the rest of us from him stealing our cars whilst he's in jail and it is a punishment - showing that society as a whole dissaproves of theft and thinks there should be some sanction for it.
Now, if you're arguing we jail people when we shouldn't I'm not sure I'd always disagree, but for people who should be in jail prison should be more than a school with light outs time (Eton has that and people pay for the privledge).
when i were a lad ....
They should work in prison, pay for their own rehab!
That is, if everything was legal, of course.
What should happen is that criminals should have the financial value of their crime worked out and then doubled and it's up to them to either pay it themselves, do forced labour to the value of or if they still refuse, get cut for their organs to be sold off.
It's all about the money.
While the financial incentives rest with those running the prisons, your going to see a prison system that doesn't work on any level. Why be a deterent if theres a pound to be made making it cushy enough to get yet more slave labour?
Why administer justice when you can tax, use slave labour AND get a section of a population set up to brutalise the rest, an action which you can then turn around and use to justify your own thefts and murders?
Excuse me? You're obviously a complete and utter wanker mate making assumptions like that.
You are the one that tried to play the NHS card, not me.
So why exactly am I selfish? Do I pay my taxes? Yes! Do I believe in the way the system works? Yes! If I have to pay taxes for the NHS to be run, and in turn it helps some baby/child/whatever live or get medical help I am HAPPY to pay my part, as I do!
But why the fuck should I pay for people that use the NHS, then try and ROB me as well and go to prison to get better! Fuck them, they should work like the rest of us and pay their own way.
Do you actually have a job then Blagsta???
So why make out that you resent funding the NHS then? I don't get it.
What do you think the likely outcome is of making people pay their own way in jail?
Yes thanks. You?
I hear in the USA it's over 1 million people now
Look I don't normally not like you so I don't really want to keep bitching back and forth back and forth it seems pointless argument
There you go, wasn't too hard was it?