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what about people like me who come from a socialist upringing where god wasn't even allowed to be mentioned in the house ...who then went on to believe there is a god?
It's called schizophrenia.
What facts are you basing this on?
Religious people are mental. They claim things that can't be seen or proven exist, what else would you call it?
Yep. personal experience and factual knowledge.
Do you believe in religion as well?
And that's ALL they have.
Stop stereotyping people. And can you actually prove what you just said?
Do religious people believe in God?
Yup.
Is there any proof whatsoever for the existence of god?
Nope.
Conclusion - they are nutters, delusional.
well from 99% of your past posts that makes 99% of the worlds population mental.
what do you mean do i believe in religion?
thats like asking do i believe in the ocean.
i believe in religion in that it is there and people seem to derive some sort of hope/comfort from it.
i personaly refuse to have anything to do with it because i believe religion is the very thing that stops people understanding god.
You really are talking rubbish, stop it.
And can you prove that God doesn't exist? Of course you can't.
Yup. The number of people holding a lunatic, nutcase view has nothing to do with it's veracity.
That was kind of my point.
That is true.
I don't mind people beleiving what THEY beleive. It is when it becomes something someone else tells you to beleive and do I get annoyed. Hence adults bringing their children up forced to beleive their views and religion that annoys me, forced to accept nad indocrinated into some organised thing, the Vaticans way, the Ayatollas way, etc.
Its all BS in the end, that side of it. I would love to see what the original Bible says, but we know WHY the Vatican won't let that out. The current Bible condems the cunts enough as it is, and they have the cheek to hold it as their Holy Book?
/Ends rant here before someone gets offended.
Don't have to. I see no evidence, so the burden of proof is upon those who says god does exist. I await their physical, material evidence with baited breath.
Proof they have been created would be a prerequisite for that viewpoint. There is of course, none whatsoever.
non living matter doesn't seem to be able to start breathing and reproducing.
all the evidence seems to point to the fact that life only comes from life.
So it cannot have been created at all then.
And there is not one single bit of evidence for any supreme being, infact there is counter evidence of the exact being religion tells us to beleive in - because it is an impossibilty.
Sorry. Matter can quite easily cease to exist or come into existence. Quantum Fact. Yes, it destroys our physics theories currently held, but it happens at the quantum level. Matter can also be in two places at once. It just IS observably so.
But yes, you don't see it happen. So you conclude it doesn't. Why must some divine being have created the universe? When the Bible only says he created Earth after all? Why could it just just be the correct set of circumstances? Like every single other happenening out of millions of variables, some improbable but which do happen from time to time? Nothing in life is certain. Everything could happen at any time. The size of the universe points to Earth being a random occurance out of severall posibilities, instead of one planet being watched over by a divine being.
Besides, if God exists, and it is true, not one person upon this earth is going to heaven anyway.
We are all fucking doomed to hell. Get over it.
Indeed. And if Kilntock thinks that this is rubbish, please explain to me how we ended up with the stuff we have today and how the world began. (It's impossible to say the Big Bang though - how were the animals and 'material' items created?)
The indisputable fact is that you cannot prove that the universe did not come about without the aid of a designer. Of course following the teleological argument whereby the world has a world-maker like a watch has a watchmaker is not irrefutable proof either, nor are other philosophical arguments put forward (the moral and cosmological argts for instance) unquestionable proof. Essentially belief in a higher being for most believers is based upon faith – tangible evidence isn’t required.
However, the point you’re making – basically paraphrasing Freud except making his point rather badly is also wholly dependent upon faith. (And Freud’s work has long been discredited and his overall point didn’t exactly disprove the existence of a higher being). You have no more proof that you are right than a believer; with no scientific basis you and the believer both think you’re right – neither of you can prove that you’re right and your opinions are both based upon some kind of faith or a hunch.
And why do you make the rules? Why is the burden of proof upon those who say God does exist? I’m admittedly somewhat sceptical myself but what about religious experience? Plenty of completely rational as well as some highly respected figures and many diehard atheists have seen their views radically altered by different kinds of religious experiences.
That is offically the worst argument ever. EVER. :rolleyes: And you know it. This has been answered 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 times ever.
I can't. I have absolutely no idea how it all came to be. And that is the MOST a logical, rational person can say. Anything beyond that is wild speculation and insanity if followed through with belief. I do know that the world IS here, because I can sense it. On that basis, God isn't because I cannot sense him at all.
I have no idea how my car was made either, does that mean it was put together by god, a giant invisible rabbit called Harvey or disinterested factory workers from brum?
I don't have to. I am not claiming anything. I am claiming that the world contains no god. (hang on quick check - yep still no evidence) It is you who are claiming that there IS a god.
Proof please, or admit your madness.
I don't make the rules. The reliance upon rationality and the senses is hardwired into me, same as all the other humans. When things don't fit with rationality or the senses then they must be investigated further, if they cannot be put into those two categories, then they are unknowable. So far nothing I have encountered has though.
So because something cannot be proven with tangible evidence it’s existence is an impossibility? That’s certainly a rather simple perspective. Before Australia had been ‘discovered’ nobody could prove that Aborigines existed – does that mean they didn’t exist? What if at some point in the future God’s existence is proven? Does that mean God didn’t exist before his existence was proven?
Or worse... a car made in the USA.
Stop being silly. If you are an ordinary rational person who beleives in something because of the amount of evidence in favour of it, you would not beleive in God, because the evidence is against him.
Big old American cars rock. They look cool and who wouldn’t like to drive across America in a big old convertible Cadillac? Or am I the only one? I mean they might not be that well made but they're interesting and they have character unlike boring Japanese cars...
No, because it cannot be proven, belief in it's existence is irrationality.
Once evidence arrives, sure change your belief. Until it does, the most you can say is you don't know, which isn't belief by a long shot.
No, but if you had told any sane person that black men went walkabout across a large continent where giant mice held their young in pouches, you would have been derided as a nutter. Why? No evidence.
For some reason you can wank on about ineffable myths, God and all that claptrap without attracting the sme understandable derision.
Nothing unequivocally proves that God does not exist. If unquestioning belief in God is irrational atheism is equally irrational. Removing my personal views I believe the only logical viewpoint is agnosticism.
I love a classic yank as much as anyone.
Anything NEW made in America though is likley to have poor quality, drive like a slug, and be unreliable. It's all gone downhill these days. Mercedes made in the USA are shit, anything from GM is a heap of crap, and Ford is up the shitter too.
Whatever happened to the company that bought us the '77 Trans Am? (Do Pontaic still exist? Or Did GM kill them with Plymouth? Cunts.)
Well, it is.
I personally beleive what I think is the most logical at the moment though - although if any evidence comes up to support another argument more, I will probably be forced to accept it. However, evidence in thin on the ground, and will be for quite a while until these fuckers stop bickering between each other and work together to find something out.
Doesn't help those cunts in the US Government and going to stop using Hubble, which has pissed off the scientific community because it is still a) Useful and b) Has not been used to its potential. Obviously they'd rather waste the money on pointless wars.