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Pearl Harbour

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
edited January 2023 in General Chat
Has anyone seen Pearl Harbour yet??? I thought it was brill but perhaps its a more girly film and thats why. What did you all think of it???
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I haven't seen Perl Harbour but from what I've heard its another film which 'big's' up how great the US is and that, also doesn't show how the Japanese suffered and 40% of the story is made-up american properganda trying to change peoples views on history...

    hmmm.. but apart from that its supposed to be quite good.. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah, i'd agree, it was very biased but i was talking more of the love plot than anything else, it was sooo lovely!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tinkabee:
    i was talking more of the love plot than anything else, it was sooo lovely!

    cute... I'll have to check it out <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    yeah, u can impress your gal by all your lovey dovey knowledge of the film, and then u can take her and...I WANT A MAN TOO!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hehehe

    I'm single and intend on staying that way, I always get dragged to films like that by my girl mates, then know I'll go with them...

    I think the next one they want to get me to take them to is that teen-flick about that guy who turns down this girl or something... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    why you single??? Are u one a those guys who likes to be friends with ALL the gals rather than have one to ur self??? Sorry, u dont have to answer that!! I'm single too, glad to be out of the last relationship but it's still a bit of a bummer not having anyone to tell v.important stuff. Did you see hannibal at the cinema (feeble attempt to return to original topic!!!)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    why you single??? Are u one a those guys who likes to be friends with ALL the gals rather than have one to ur self??? Sorry, u dont have to answer that!!

    I dunno, cause probably of the type of person I am, I have a lot of girl friends who are just friends, I prefer it that way.... I'm even being invited to a hen party this week (good or bad? heh)

    I'm single too, glad to be out of the last relationship but it's still a bit of a bummer not having anyone to tell v.important stuff.

    Do you not have any best mates you can talk with about stuff like that? Thats why I prefer having female friends to male ones, you can talk with them more and they are a lot more open minded.
    You'll easy find someone I'm sure, it just takes time to adjust when you come out of a relationship, I'm sure you'll have no problem at all... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    Did you see hannibal at the cinema (feeble attempt to return to original topic!!!)

    no, actually I haven't been to the cinema recently, I think the last film I saw was probably either 'Charlies Angels' or 'The Grinch', I've been order to start going again so its that teenflick film to begin again with and so on... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I thought Pearl Harbour was a bloody brilliant film!
    I like battle scenes, which there were aplenty and with gr8 effects.
    Love story plot, although not really my thing, was done ok.
    And yes it was biased but what do you expect. Most of their audience are American, and they`re alot more likely to go and see a film which shows how briliant the Americans are rather than how brilliant the British are (see U-571, then find out what really happened) or how much the Japanese suffered.
    One good thing they did do though was to show the Japanese Admiral not as an evil man, but as one doing his duty and serving his country, even though he didn`t particularly like it.
    "A great man would find a way not to wage war" or something like that was sort of the pivotal line for him.
    A very good film and not deserving of the savagery inflicted on it by film critics.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm, lotsa films I wanna see:

    The Mexican (anything with Brad Pitt and Julia Roberts must be worth watching)
    Captain Corelli's Mandolin (need to read the book for A-level)
    Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (it'll be a laugh!)
    Say It Isn't So (looks very funnu <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; )

    and Pearl Harbor I'm going to see on Thursday after my last exam <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    btw, doesn't it really annoy you when you have to spell things the American way because that's just what it's called? "harbour" looks way better . . . grr, sorry, I'm a touch obsessive when it comes to spelling <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; !

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Justin Credible:
    also doesn't show how the Japanese suffered

    Think you'd better read up on your history, before posting a comment like that. Talk about offensive.

    How many Chinese did the Japanese massacre? Ever heard of The Rape of Nanking? What about POWs, I don't recall anything about how well the Japanese treated them, can you?

    The Japanese were just as bloodthirsty as the Germans. Did you know that they still revere some of their war criminal and still don't see that they did anything wrong? Did you know that most of their actions during the war are glossed over in their schools.

    At least the Germans accept that they were wrong (on the whole anyway - there's always some idiots).

    As for the film, it is the usual mix of Holywood re-write on history with marketing thrown in for good measure (I'm sure Calvin loves it from the marketing pov). It's basically a love story sandwiched between Ben Affleck single handely winning the battle of britain and then destroying the Japanese.

    As worth noting is the different version which was released in Japan which overdubbed some of the expression used about them. Can't risk offending them after all!

    Oh, and a small aside - who carried out the sneak attack? was is the evil US empire or the poor mistreated Japanese?


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by *~stellar~*:
    Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (it'll be a laugh!)!


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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    erm...was gonna say something...oh yeah <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    premier film on Pearl Habour is Tora! Tora! Tora! is all i'm gonna say. if u actually like hte historical instead of hollywood perspective, faaaar better film. 40 years old, but still rules.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    Think you'd better read up on your history, before posting a comment like that. Talk about offensive.

    How many Chinese did the Japanese massacre? Ever heard of The Rape of Nanking? What about POWs, I don't recall anything about how well the Japanese treated them, can you?

    The Japanese were just as bloodthirsty as the Germans. Did you know that they still revere some of their war criminal and still don't see that they did anything wrong? Did you know that most of their actions during the war are glossed over in their schools.

    At least the Germans accept that they were wrong (on the whole anyway - there's always some idiots).

    As for the film, it is the usual mix of Holywood re-write on history with marketing thrown in for good measure (I'm sure Calvin loves it from the marketing pov). It's basically a love story sandwiched between Ben Affleck single handely winning the battle of britain and then destroying the Japanese.

    As worth noting is the different version which was released in Japan which overdubbed some of the expression used about them. Can't risk offending them after all!

    Oh, and a small aside - who carried out the sneak attack? was is the evil US empire or the poor mistreated Japanese?



    m.o.k. thank you for providing some proper perspective on this. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    justin -- OMG! what are you saying? a hollywood movie isn't historically accurate? gasp and swoon. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    we're not talking a documentary here guys, we're talking about a jerry bruckheimer/michael bay movie. these are the people that brought you those factually accurate movies "top gun," "the rock" and "armaggeddon." yeah, those were totally believeable. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt;

    the movies are suppose to be fun. who cares if they are accurate or not. and not many of them are political propaganda. (cultural propaganda, maybe, but that's a different thread. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/wink.gif"&gt; )

    we go to school to find out how it really happen. we go to the movies to see shit get blown up and admire the beauty of an affleck or a beckinsdale.

    all i'm saying is go out and enjoy the movie and critique it on what it is, not what it isn't. you can rip on the us in the politics forum. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    IT WAS THE BEST MOVIE!!! I cried buckets!! But then again, I cried at every movie I've seen in my life.
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    Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Posts: 2,822 Boards Guru
    i want to go and see pearl harBOR (yeah i agree grrrrr), for the underlying love story more than any historical accuracy <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt; but then i like a lot of kinds of movies, ones about peoples relationships, romantic or otherwise, and action movies, and comedies. and horror films, well thrillers i spose. so im not fussed <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

    i also want to go and see captain corelli's mandolin. and bridget jones's diary that sadly all the people i know have seen already without inviting me <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/mad.gif"&gt; last time i went to the cinema was to see hannibal, in february.

    someone i know had a funny dream about ben affleck and now i cant think of ben affleck without thinking of this dream <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/biggrin.gif"&gt; which makes me laff. <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    Think you'd better read up on your history, before posting a comment like that. Talk about offensive.

    I've read up on my history and from the sound of it your stereotyping, yes I know the Japanease did wrong things, but so did the American soldiers they also raped people while going through fighting probably along with people from all the other countries...

    My godfather was a german soldier during the second world war who was captured by the british and he always talks about how he didn't want to fight but was called up to do so. You can't catagorise all japanease as being the same...

    I mean the sole reason for the second world war (in theory) was to pull germany out of resession and try and get some money back into the country as most people were unemployed and poverty had spread tho affecting most due to taxes enflicted on the country, not saying the idea to wage war was right, also if we go on the factors of whats right and wrong then its good to point out that the British knew about what was going on with the jews for sometime yet decided to ignore it for several years, just proving no-one was perfect.

    I know its not a realistic film, its from hollywood, but it just annoys me sometimes as it helps some americains get further up thier own arse about being 'the best nation who saved everyones arse again and can never do wrong'

    I suppose tho with a budget of 130 million or whatever if you can't make something decent out of that then good help you...



    [This message has been edited by Justin Credible (edited 19-06-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Justin Credible:
    I've read up on my history and from the sound of it your stereotyping, yes I know the Japanease did wrong things, but so did the American soldiers they also raped people while going through fighting probably along with people from all the other countries...

    Yes but it wasn't a result of political will. That was criminal activity.

    The Japanese treatment of POWs and the population of China and Korea was a matter of policy. BIG difference.
    My godfather was a german soldier during the second world war who was captured by the british and he always talks about how he didn't want to fight but was called up to do so. You can't catagorise all japanease as being the same...

    Don't think I did label all the Japanese in this way. I did mention the fact that the 'war crimals' are revered. There IS a temple shrine, for crying out loud, that is tolerated by the Japanese Govt. They have NEVER said sorry for the treatment they dished out. And they do not teach this aspect of their history in school. The Germans do.

    I agree with you about your average Germans, they were under a totalitarian regime. The two axis-powers aren't compatable on that front. They still had more than their fair share of maniacs though, otherwise there would have been six million plus more Jews alive at the end of the war.
    I mean the sole reason for the second world war (in theory) was to pull germany out of resession and try and get some money back into the country as most people were unemployed and poverty had spread tho affecting most due to taxes enflicted on the country, not saying the idea to wage war was right,

    Okay, and I'm sure that sheer greed had nothing to do with it. Why were the Japanese involved then?

    Hitler and his cronies had the ambition to build a empire - do the words 'Third Reich' ring any bells?. This has nothing to do with poverty. This is meglomania.
    also if we go on the factors of whats right and wrong then its good to point out that the British knew about what was going on with the jews for sometime yet decided to ignore it for several years, just proving no-one was perfect.

    So what else could they have done? They fought a fucking war with the Germans for god's sake. okay that's not the reason it started, but I think it's pretty emphatic.

    I don't think they did too bad a job by holding out until the Yanks decided to join in (late as ever guys!). Together (with the Russians) they defeated the Nazi Govt and 'freed' those being held captive.
    I know its not a realistic film, its from hollywood, but it just annoys me sometimes as it helps some americains get further up thier own arse about being 'the best nation who saved everyones arse again and can never do wrong'

    I suppose tho with a budget of 130 million or whatever if you can't make something decent out of that then good help you...

    I actually agree with you. It's all very well making a film for entertainment purposes but if you use historical details you owe to the people involved to be factual.

    The factual innacuracies in U-571, Saving Private Ryan, Titanic, Pearl Harbor etc are really offensive. The only reason they don't tell the truth is because they won't make as much money in the US box office. That's wrong guys.

    Sorry Calvin, but people do use these films as a guide to history, especially when they are promoted as historical drama.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I found this film not very good. But I dont like those type of films. Anyway it looks likea lot of people have liked it. I think its time to make up your own mind.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Tinkabee:
    Has anyone seen Pearl Harbour yet??? I thought it was brill but perhaps its a more girly film and thats why. What did you all think of it???

    i think it was brill too! but i went with my fella and he said that it was like another titanic! loves meet and then tradgerdy happens then the man dies! made me cry whenhe did die though speacily when he found out he was a daddy! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt;
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    Girl-From-MarsGirl-From-Mars Posts: 2,822 Boards Guru
    Originally posted by thedevilherself:
    i think it was brill too! but i went with my fella and he said that it was like another titanic! loves meet and then tradgerdy happens then the man dies! made me cry whenhe did die though speacily when he found out he was a daddy! <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt;

    well you just ruined it for everyone who hasnt seen it, thanks.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent:
    I actually agree with you. It's all very well making a film for entertainment purposes but if you use historical details you owe to the people involved to be factual.

    Least we agree on something, I just believe (like yourself) that if your going to portay an historical event then you should show both sides story factual....

    Good bit of debate anyway... <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/smile.gif"&gt;

    [This message has been edited by Justin Credible (edited 20-06-2001).]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Turtle:
    boing!

    ummmm.........I don't get it <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/frown.gif"&gt; explain please! (me feel very stupid!)

    I suppose we never expect anything out of Hollywood to be historically accurate. That's not what makes a box office smash! I'm going to see Pearl Harbor tomorrow so I'll be able to say more then, but when it all comes down to it, everyone likes a good story - although when it's predictable it's a touch annoying. The fx are meant to be superb.

    The political aspect of the film, well, I don't think it's that important because this film wasn't meant to be a documentary, unlike films such as Schindler's List (boy did I cry with that one!). Of course all the war crimes, committed on both sides, whether due to policy or soldiers behaving badly (!), were shocking - but there's other things which describe/show/teach about those. Pearl Harbor is for entertainment.

    anyway. pointless post really <IMG alt="image" SRC="http://www.thesite.org/ubb/tongue.gif"&gt;

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    *sigh*

    The Japanese became involved because they wanted to dominate Asia, at the start of WW2 their influence was waning rapidly and they were being surrounded on all sides by non-too-friendly international powers. It had nothing to do with greed but everything to do with ambition. Japan is an island (duh!), everything they needed to establish themselves as a economic power and run that economy had to be shipped in, a precarious position if the surrounding powers aren't friendly. Japan was still led by Hirohito at the time but the real power lay with the military high command, and they wanted their country safe. Their decision was to make rapid attacks in the Asian theatre of war to bring the local powers to their knees and negotiate a settlement to keep them out of their sphere of influence. They always knew they would lose a full-scale battle.

    As for the actions of their soldiers, they were carrying out the orders of their Emperor and God. I'll repeat that, God. Hirohito was still the living incarnation of their Deity. I guess none of this would make sense from a European perspective, but it made sense to the Japanese at the time.

    As for atrocities, no power in the world can claim to be holier-than-thou when it comes to foreign colonisation, the British record isn't that hot either.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ok, well, i liked it. I thought the emotional side of it was done really well. its hard to bring tears to the eyes of the audience but i think they acheived it...bravo!!!!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    gr8 film
    fit actors
    twisted love triangle
    cool effects
    brill action
    not quite accurate but a good movie
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