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Agreed 100%.
In answer to the original question, yes "we" should.
If you'd have come out with some long-winded stuff about how countries don't really exist in front of the authorities in WW1-era Britain you'd have found yourself on latrine duty in the frontline for four years.
It opens the floodgates to all sort of shit? Besides, it wasn't this government that did it!
Should we make all Germans apologise each year for starting two world wars? The people it actualyl concerned are dead. Should we make todays Americans give back all the land they did not legally buy from the native Americans but stole through genocide?
Same principle.
Yeah, and those are exactly the sort of people you want to be mindlessly obeying, aren't they?
It's not something i would do in any event. You don't tell Islamic fundamentalists that theres no Allah and the koran is utter cock either.
No, they all do exist, everyone on the face of the planet knows it. Things exist, and only you live in this fictional universe where nothing exists at all except ideas. That is why you are always wrong and everyone else is usually right.
I think you miss the point.
Because these men were shot for cowardice, they cannot be listed on a war memorial. they cannot have a war grave. They are ignored, these deaths are not commemorated on Armistice day.
This should be rectified, and for this very reason the men should be pardoned.
It's not a case of offering a pathetic apology, it is about giving dead men the recognition that they deserve. It doesn't cost much, but it means a lot to the families of the men concerned that a stain on their family be removed.
I suggest you go away and read about what caused World War One.
The Germans were not the baddies. All countries involved played an equal part in creating what was a destructive, bloody and utterly pointless war.
Ok, I'll agree now. I didn't actually know they were not listed on war memorials - as such, I think it is wrong. I thought they were just saying sorry in he same way as other deaths, and as it was not caused by them, etc.
But no, if it gets them listed on memorials - I think a pardon should be offered.
Really?
You have it completely and utterly the wrong way round. I live in the real world, the one you can touch and smell and so on, you live in the world of ideas and non sensory gibberish.
Regardless of how many people hold alternative views, the facts remain exactly the same. The Earth has always orbited the sun, even when the opposite was thought to be true.
If you're talking about a blanket pardon it would include 2nd Lt John pearson who shot dead an RMP officer trying to arrest him, Pte Anderson who deserted from France and was arrested in Barking, Pte Ernest Lawrence, who deserted the infanty three times before fooling the RFC into thinking he'd been transfered and the paper work was lost.
Come to that there is Sub-Lt Dyett who passed his injured colleagues and left them to rot, without going to get help. Several of the men died of their wounds and it was 36 hours before they were recovered. Dyett killed those injured men as much as any German shell.
Its probaby also worth putting this into some perspective. 5.25 million men served in the British army in WW1, with 551 court martials for cowardice and 7,731 for desertion. 3000 men were sentenced to death - after confirmations by those Generals who according to legend showed such a scant regard for death only 266 were executed - most of whom were repeat offenders (sometimes on their third attempt). 750,000 men were killed by the enemy.
I sugest for once in your life on this site you actually read a post and understand it instead of jumping in with both feet like an expert when you clearly do not understand the point been made!
I was saying had the British put down there guns the German Empire would have successfully taken control of all of continental Europe, which is a fact. The Austro-Hungarian Empire fighting for its survival as newer, stronger nations emerged with in its domain would have swept aside its enemies by having enough troops with its allies help to conquer the terrirtories. Russia, would have been invaded, the communists executed on mass by German troops, saving the Tsar regime from having to do so, but weakening the nation of Russia in general.
The fact that world war 1 was started as a result of expanding Empires, arms races to build the largest and most powerful war ships, tanks, land armies, etc and the economic inevitabilty if war occuring when large Empires and Powers exist in such close together regions are all mute points when the comment made was in reference to what would happen if one side put down its weapons and chose not to fight!
If things have changed then I retract that.
AFAIK the names certainly aren't on any cenotaph, certainly not the national one. I remember a big thing about it about five years ago. If things have changed then, yeah.
Are any names on the cenotaph? It's no like the wall in DC...
As for the pardon, if there is a case then it should be looked at. If not then the verdict should stand, we really should not apply today's culture to yesterday's criminal justice system - otherwise we have many death penalties to apologise for and a few deportations too. Having sais that, perhaps the UK should apologise to the world for Australia