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Prophet Mohammed London protests: man arrested

BillieTheBotBillieTheBot Posts: 8,721 Bot
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Tonight, a man has been arrested in connection with the protests against the cartoons depicting Prophet Mohammed in London back on February 3rd. He is charged under suspicion of soliciting murder. >> Details >>

Obviously, this arrest is welcome. But questions remain, sadly. Why weren't they arrested at the event? Why didn't the Metropolitan Police send officers in to lock up the people inciting hatred and murder? For example, why wasn't the person in this picture arrested immediately for spreading such an evil and dangerous message?
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And Scotland Yard apparently promised a swift inquiry at the time. >> Details >>
How can EIGHT weeks be swift? Over to you...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    God knows...the Police were probably afraid to do anything for fear of being labelled racists themselves.

    Some people are just plain nuts! :shocking:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    perhaps the police were afraid of getting killed
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Perhaps they weren't sure which crime was being committed? Being a fuckwit isn't (yet) illegal and I'm not sure that some posters and a few chants really constitutes soliciting murder.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    noone should of been arrested
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    wheresmyplacebo wrote:
    no one should 'have' been arrested
    Why not?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah, why not? They commited a crime...or in some cases many.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    subject13 wrote:
    Yeah, why not? They commited a crime...or in some cases many.
    Take this idiot, for instance, dressed as a suicide bomber.
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    He apologised on the Monday afterwards only for two reasons. Because it was disgusting and offensive? Not a chance. No, it was because of the torrent of media criticism that morning, and to make sure he didn't have his collar felt by the police.

    I bet if I went around the streets of London carrying a placard saying "Death to Islam", I would be arrest faster than the cop on the beat can eat his donut. And rightly so. So, why wouldn't they arrest them at the time? Why only arrest them eight weeks later, when the fuss has died down? Ah... just answered my own question there...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    Take this idiot, for instance, dressed as a suicide bomber.
    He apologised on the Monday afterwards only for two reasons. Because it was disgusting and offensive? Not a chance. No, it was because of the torrent of media criticism that morning, and to make sure he didn't have his collar felt by the police.

    I bet if I went around the streets of London carrying a placard saying "Death to Islam", I would be arrest faster than the cop on the beat can eat his donut. And rightly so. So, why wouldn't they arrest them at the time? Why only arrest them eight weeks later, when the fuss has died down? Ah... just answered my own question there...

    I don't think anyone's saying he's not a twat and its obviously insulting. But how does it harm us? Same for the placards - its not like someone is going to read 'Death to unbelivers' and thinks 'Bloody hell, that's a good idea; I'll suicide bomb the Bakerloo line'.

    Laws should be there to protect us from being robbed, attacked etc, not to protect us from people being tasteless.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    I bet if I went around the streets of London carrying a placard saying "Death to Islam", I would be arrest faster than the cop on the beat can eat his donut. And rightly so. So, why wouldn't they arrest them at the time? Why only arrest them eight weeks later, when the fuss has died down? Ah... just answered my own question there...


    what about if i said it shouldnt be possible to arrest you for that either?


    what harm to people does "kill all (insert group of people here)" actually do? if someone is that stupid to listen to it, surely they are the ones who need help, and any half witted person would laugh at these statements, i did even though they want my death :lol: - if they published provable lies you could do a libel on them

    you either have complete freedom of speech, or none at all

    we should have a constitutionally bound freedom of speech and opinion
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    I don't think anyone's saying he's not a twat and its obviously insulting. But how does it harm us? Same for the placards - its not like someone is going to read 'Death to unbelivers' and thinks 'Bloody hell, that's a good idea; I'll suicide bomb the Bakerloo line'.

    Laws should be there to protect us from being robbed, attacked etc, not to protect us from people being tasteless.


    you put it better than me :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    what harm to people does "kill all (insert group of people here)" actually do? if someone is that stupid to listen to it, surely they are the ones who need help, and any half witted person would laugh at these statements, i did even though they want my death - if they published provable lies you could do a libel on them

    point is, theres always someone stupid enough, to do anything you can think off

    so you sorta have to think along the lines of, how do I/We avoid that
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    point is, theres always someone stupid enough, to do anything you can think off

    so you sorta have to think along the lines of, how do I/We avoid that


    yeh, but you cant be arrested for saying 'the genocide happened for a reason' because it's a vague statement and despite the many inuendos, the person who says that could just believe in fate, and read somewhere it was bound to happen through some weird astrology shit

    why should someone be done because someone else happens to be really gullible
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so its ok to show violent films before the watershed?

    cause end of the day its not the tv stations fault if an impressionable kid is dumb enough to copycat and do something stupid?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    so its ok to show violent films before the watershed?

    cause end of the day its not the tv stations fault if an impressionable kid is dumb enough to copycat and do something stupid?


    yeh course they can, just explain the nature of the film and let their parent decide if they can or not

    im all for making film age warnings only voluntarily enforcable, apart from porno which should share same age as having sex ;)


    i do try avoid having a discretionary way of doing things, freedom of speech doesnt mean people have to pay attention to it :thumb:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    those kinds of people are sickening... why can't they just get on with things... I think offensive crap like that should get them kicked into the gutter tbh!

    Having said this, i agree, if you're gonna promote freedom of speech then you can't make exceptions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    freedom of speech is one of those things, that seperates us from these 'evil' countries, and it is an asolute, as we stand atm we dont have freedom of speech and it sickens me
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    no country has complete freedom of speech, its all in degrees

    if i wanted to go all homophobic, many of you would be disgusted, whats wrong with bullying? nothing if im allowed to have freedom of speech, its either all right or all wrong

    i think we are quite free in this country, we just have to be respobsible in what we say
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    no country has complete freedom of speech, its all in degrees

    if i wanted to go all homophobic, many of you would be disgusted, whats wrong with bullying? nothing if im allowed to have freedom of speech, its either all right or all wrong

    i think we are quite free in this country, we just have to be respobsible in what we say

    yep..

    after all, words can provoke... yet if total freedom of speech is allowed, the person saying the offensive stuff won't get punished, only the person that reacts.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Only thing that really annoyed me about those posters was one that read something like "Death to Europe" You're lucky enough to be here in the first place, if you don't like it fuck off.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    so its ok to show violent films before the watershed?

    cause end of the day its not the tv stations fault if an impressionable kid is dumb enough to copycat and do something stupid?

    Two different things. I have no problem with film ratings or us not showing extreme violence at seven in the evening when eight year old kids are watching - that's protecting the children.

    But I don't believe we should censor films which are for adults. If I want to Hostel I should be able too and at the end of the day its not the makers fault if someone decides to copy it.

    As an aside I've never been a great fan of the film causes violence theory - from what some people anyone would think we didn't have murder before the invention of film...
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    You know, I like the protests. Because nearly all of the spelling or grammar on the signs... was appaling. I love it.

    And nothing quite beats "the fantastic four are coming!" ... really? Thought they were fictional!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its fucking disgusting. No 2 ways about it.

    1 man out of all them protestors. Fucking disgraceful. Blatant racism.

    Really just saying as long as your not a white, christian guy you can do and say whatever the hell you want with nothing happning to you.

    disgrace.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    According to that article in the first post there were three other protestors arrested on various charges.

    It certainly doesn't look to me as if white, Christian men are being singled out and having their rights to make idiotic statements taken away from them - Nick Griffin was acquitted on similar charges not very long ago.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wow...........

    3 people......out of how many again????

    See my point.

    Someone up there said it earlier, if they were to walk in london carry ing a sign saying death to Islam ect then they would be arrested immediately.

    Yeah and those BNP members are vilified constantly, were arrested and put on trial, a mayor made to give up their job etc etc.

    These fuckers threaten death to and specific death threats, glorifying terrorims etc etc and nothing gets done.

    I ask why??????

    What else can it be.

    Oh and that Nick Griffin was only let off of some charges, he has to go for retrail soon.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I dont really think any of them should have been arrested, free speach is free speach.

    However, I do think a few of them might be worth keeping a tab on, which is what I assume is happening.

    I think the Police and Special Branch would rather just log who they are and keep an eye on them than give them a caution for breach of the peace.

    If I was on that march I wouldn't trust my land line anymore.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If the police had tried to make arrests on the spot grave disturbances would have surely ensued. It is not uncommon practice for police to use video evidence to arrest suspects later, rather than risk a riot. It happens in all kind of demonstrations or congregations from Mayday marches to football games, and there is no hidden agenda or favoritism here :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not favouritism no, but lack of action. it is targetted timing and action dont you think? i suppose mor eof the BNP should be arrested on the same principles though, rather then just Nick Griffon and his top aids. But in this case, I am all for freedom of speach, but not when it is insighting hatred and violence, that goes for white people, Sikhs, Muslims, Mormons, Methodists and even the church of Anal sex!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    I dont really think any of them should have been arrested, free speach is free speach.

    However, I do think a few of them might be worth keeping a tab on, which is what I assume is happening.

    I think the Police and Special Branch would rather just log who they are and keep an eye on them than give them a caution for breach of the peace.

    If I was on that march I wouldn't trust my land line anymore.



    exactly if police were going to be smart they'd just keep a tab on some of the organisers and the people who seemed particulary extreme

    well the police cannot do this technically it'd be MI5
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    I still think the important thing here is - should we send them back to school for the terribly written posters?

    But on a serious note - I think that whilst htey should be monitored arresting is too far. We are allowed freedom of speech, so let the BNP spout shit too - by all means. But, I wouldl ike to see them and anyone else who says somethingl ike this watched.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How long has it been since and how many have been done???

    Glorifying terrorims an dspecfc death threats don't come under free speech to me.

    And how good are video camera's when they cover their face?? :rolleyes:
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