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Has anyone heard about the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill?

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    MrG wrote:
    you been watching too much west wing :thumb:

    Whats the west wing? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Whats the west wing? :confused:
    The West Wing was an American drama that was about a fictional US president. They stopped making them recently, and were shown in the UK on Channel 4.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    The West Wing was an American drama that was about a fictional US president. They stopped making them recently, and were shown in the UK on Channel 4.

    A bit like 24? That's such a good show :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Does anyone know the date for the second reading at Parliament of this? I want to know, so I can guage the interest and reaction of MPs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cain wrote:
    Does anyone know the date for the second reading at Parliament of this? I want to know, so I can guage the interest and reaction of MPs.
    Ministers are this week meeting the chairmen of the Commons regulatory reform and procedure committees to discuss the bill and changing some aspects of it. The second reading will follow soon after they are completed.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    stargalaxy wrote:
    Ministers are this week meeting the chairmen of the Commons regulatory reform and procedure committees to discuss the bill and changing some aspects of it. The second reading will follow soon after they are completed.

    OK thanks. I had heard about meeting the chairmen, but didnt know how soon it would follow on. I shall keep my eyes peeled and ears open.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cain wrote:
    OK thanks. I had heard about meeting the chairmen, but didnt know how soon it would follow on. I shall keep my eyes peeled and ears open.
    With the media almost having a blackout on this, it's hard to know exactly what's going on.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Too fucking true. I'm trying to keep the pressure up on people around here, but I'm a busy guy, so I havent had the time to look too much.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This Bill was investigated by Radio 4's Law in Action yesterday, and there are a couple of deeply depressing interviews which you should listen to;

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/law_in_action/default.stm

    The interview is at the 19min mark of the programme.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yep.

    That's us fucked, one way or another.

    I have no idea from what exactly, but they haven't gone after these powers for no reason, and that reason must be pretty serious.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks for the link, I'm just about to listen. And agreed Klintock, whoever wrote this knew exactly what they were putting into place. The language is too purposefully ambiguous.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Im sure America has an invasion plan drawn up for canada...

    There's talk of an American union...canada, US, mexico...the yanks have been wanting it for a while.

    One world government here we come.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thats called NAFTA. Its actually based around Kantian ideas of cosmopolitan democracy, funnily enough and mirrors developments in international civil society and NGOs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Well Ive sent me letter off to my MP. Maybe he'll be excited someone wrote him a letter. He comes off as a boring old sod. Conservative - so perhaps he'll be more inclined to go against anything the government tries to put through.

    Ive been talking about it to everyone at school, the students and the teachers. The worrying thing is the reaction is the same as my intial reaction = wtf :eek2:. I think people just don't realise, perhaps I even dont. We've always had freedom. When there was a new law proposed, we all were for it or against it, and some of us even went out on the weekend and stood aroudn getting cold protesting. I dont think most people see that this government is going further away from listening to the people, and more towards listening to itself.

    I mean, my economics teacher thinks he's a wizz on politics, I told this to him, and he just kind of gave me a dumb smile, not knowing what to say. He normally either agrees with me or disagrees with me, he's not the 'shrug' type of person. Its quite unnerving how little people know about this.

    Maybe we're still blowing it out of proportion though. Mind you, if the Nazis just take one month from the enabling act to outlawing all other political parties, it makes you wonder how much time we have left.... Im embarressed to say I'm still not 100% sure how things go through parliament, all I know is they chat about it and vote on it. My MP almost never votes on anything, I think he's one of the most non-voting ones out there. Hopefully I can kick his arse into gear :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    But the Tories want this law, that's why they arent making a fuss, they think they can win next time and if they do they will get to play with this lovely new law.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    But the Tories want this law, that's why they arent making a fuss, they think they can win next time and if they do they will get to play with this lovely new law.

    You damned if you do, damned if you dont :(.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    But the Tories want this law, that's why they arent making a fuss, they think they can win next time and if they do they will get to play with this lovely new law.

    If they're allowed elections. Or is that a bit extreme?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If they're allowed elections. Or is that a bit extreme?

    Nope. There would no constitutional requirement for elections ever, if this law was passed and a Minister felt like it. But why bother? Just use the law to keep minority parties down, because targeting the big ones would be counterproductive, leading to nasty business involving silenced pistols and poisoned foods. They win some, you win some. The status quo remains unchanged.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cain wrote:
    Nope. There would no constitutional requirement for elections ever, if this law was passed and a Minister felt like it. But why bother? Just use the law to keep minority parties down, because targeting the big ones would be counterproductive, leading to nasty business involving silenced pistols and poisoned foods. They win some, you win some. The status quo remains unchanged.

    The law professor on the show I linked suggested that elections would be about the only thing left. But I think he mentioned these purely because its un-imagionable to get rid of them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yeah, if that happened there would be a full on revolt.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    They'll do it eventually.

    "What usually happens when people without guns face up to people with guns?" was a question I heard in a film last week.

    Or have a once and for all vote in the style of Hitler.

    Either way.....same effect.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I personally think it will be just an elite system of powersharing, for the forseeable future (which isnt that far, honestly). Each side wont want to make the first move, because all of them (ie the two main parties) have alot to gain through cooperation.

    Eventually it will degenerate to that though, I agree. I'm just not sure when.

    Besides, I'm a country boy. Not only do I have a gun, I know how to use it. Not that violence in any way is what I plan on doing when this gets passed. Violence is just another failed method that draws you into playing by their rules, justifying their laws and penalties, their view on reality. Its really a final resort, as nothing puts up mental defences as much as violence, and conflict is always mental as well as physical. My methods are much sneakier and more effective....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Cain wrote:
    My methods are much sneakier and more effective....

    You haven`t rolled the Golden Apple yet ? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    its the way society works. from socialism, then it rebounds and hits dictatorship, then people arent happy and revolt again, then someone takes power again, etc. etc.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    How did this thread get to here?
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