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100th soldier to die in iraq
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Just seen this on the news, an interview with Tony Blair who says that its worth it to see it through. How would he feel if it was his one of his children! would he say it was worth it to lose one of his children! Stupid thing to say IMO, i dont think any family who loses a child/father/husband or anyone else to this war would say it was 'worth it'. im not arguing with the war i dont know enough about it really but what a stupid thing to say. made me mad :mad:
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Not that he gives a shit though...
The only thing a politician can do when soldiers die is offer condolencies and try to reassure they didn't die in vain.
...and avoid starting totally unneccessary wars in the first place.
The blood of over a million Iraqis is on Saddam. Not that you seem to give a shit.
Actually, that’s unfair. Although no more so than claiming that the Prime Minister doesn’t give a shit about Allied soldiers and Iraqis that have died in this war.
Whatever you think about the Iraq war Blair isn't callous, his motives were sincere and genuine. And whilst things haven’t gone as well as we’d have liked you cannot deny that Iraq has a better future without Saddam.
and would you appreciate blair's attitude if it was someone in your family? if you lost someone you loved would you think it was worth it? i very much doubt it, its easy enough to say when you dont know the people who have died.
A million?
That seems rather a large exxageration........
Such apologists dont have the consistency of principle to acknowledge the same evil being perpetrated when the US and UK launch a war against another country (two in fact).
How unsurprisingly hypocritical.
But back to the point at hand...Saddam started the war with Iran and the behest of many outside interests, including the entire liberal middle-eastern arab governments, as well as the US and UK.
The invasion of Afghanistan was justified was it not as that was the base of Al Quida operations, and since it was a "War on Terror" they had to go where th emost terrorists were to get them, which happened to be afghanistan. Though i agree, they didnt really fight a war on a terror as much as they used it as a stepping stone for Iraq.
Show one place where i have said I liked Saddam. Obviously it strains your tabloid sensibilities to be reminded of the actual causal factors of historic events such as the Iran/Iraq War. I suppose the sanitised PR versions suitable for hyper nationalist self justification for our own warmaking is easier to digest.
Moral relativity is, after all, the opiate of the intellectually dishonest.
now? sometime in a promised near or far off future?
Personally i prefer the Milosevic trial, though i personally do not see the justification to out him on trial but not do the same to many other leaders of the other factions such as the Croats and Muslims!
It just goes to show, Iraq is cocked up. Sad thing is... MOST of them were shot by.. our ally, the USA. Fuckers.
What about Burma? Sudan? China? What about those crises? The lives lost, the violations of human rights.
I'm sure if Mr Blair were so 'sincere and genuine' he'd be helping Sudan out right now. Iraq isn't the only country with a shitty government... Oh and you know wha? Caring Mr Blair won't help British residents out in Guantanamo when it is perfectly in his power to do so... Caring Mr Blair was going to accept evidence obtained by torture and now detains people "on suspician of terrorism" without any trial. Caring Mr Blair is involved in a war where phosphorous is killing indiscriminately. He has lied to the public about WMD's and sent forth people to their slaughter in an unessecery war, making widows, orphans and money for his back pocket.
I never have and never will support the war. It was handled badly, it's surrounded by lies, it's a waste of money... What concerns anybody who cares about human rights more is the allegations of abuse of prisoners and the use of cluster bombs in civilian populated areas. It is frightening...
If they abuse human rights over there, it is only so long until they start to errode them here.
And yet, more and more testimonies appear by the day (including from Dubya himself) that appear to suggest Blair was in fact the bigger warmonger of the two, and that he suggested the UN and the world should be lied to about the situation in Iraq in order to justify the war.
Sincere, my hairy arse.
"HEROES WHO DIED FOR OUR FREEDOM"
Our freedom?
Fucking lying patronising cunts. Using the language of necon America now are they? :mad:
Fucking Murdoch worthless shite.
There are still people in Iraq that believed in Saddam's ways - that's not going to change.
I have a mate in Armed Forces, he's off to Afghanistan next year... ;(
Thing is, if we pull out... someone worse than Saddam might just take over. We did cock it up... so I suppose if its our mess, we should clean it. I think, until Iraq has a fairly voted in government with the power to stand on its own two feet, it won't stabalise. Or Iran will help install some of their puppet extremists.
We really have gotten into a no win situation. Suppose it's payback for putting Saddam in power in the first place.
How so?
In what way is murdering millions of people good for the world.
If someone said similar about Hitler, they would be banned without hesitation...........
Mixed standards to say the least.........
STAY TEH COARSE!!
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Stalin and Mao fought the Axis powers with incredible success. Russians inflicted 75% of all German casualties and the Chinese Communists not only kept the Japanese tied up in China fighting a guerrilla war, they also made life alot better than it was under the Kuomintang, even though it was at a terrible cost of human life, one which shouldnt have been paid, IMO. Most of China's current leadership would have been peasants breaking their backs in muddy fields if it weren't for Mao.
Need I explain without Stalin hitler would have WON WW2... Mao... made China the nation is it is today. The Murder is NOT the good part - the building a strong Industrial Nation is... without Mao, China wouldn't produce all the cheap goods we buy mthousands of Daily. Without Stalin, Hitler would have trampled Russia and won WW2 with ease. The Soviet Armed forces defeated over 70% of the German Armed forces, people like to forget that.
Hundreds more American soldiers are dead.
Countless thousands more Iraqi citizens are dead.
And still we receive no admission this war was wrong.
War is all about death. Enough death to make the other side give up.
So in theory we should have surrendered to the Americans now, the number of Brit's they've killed.