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I fail to see how anybody can come to that conclusion.
Your implying that drink drivers walk away from crashes more often than sober drivers who crash, which is untrue.
I see drink driving as being irresponsible and anyone who does it is having absolutely no regard for the safety of others. If they kill someone they have done so because they have been completely reckless, and had no thought of the consequences.
Someone who kills someone in cold blood knows the consequences usually.
I'm not debating what is the worst of the two, I'm saying that it is wrong, and that i don't think manslaughter is a suitable way of judging it. I suppose that's down to the law though.
Also, I wasn't implying that drunk drivers walk away more than sober ones. My point was that drink drivers often kill pedestrians through lack of reaction (from which they walk away), or cause other cars to swerve because of their erratic driving (which causes two or more other cars to crash, from which they again walk away).
The bottom line is that if you are drunk, you are more likely to be involved in/cause an accident, as it is proven that alcohol slows your reactions down. In these accidents, innocent people get hurt, because of the reckless behaviour of the drunk driver.
I thought what he said was a fun idea and im sure he was just pissing about, he obviously isn't going to go and take a loan out and start a business of it is he, so take it less seriously next time
But you did state that you think causing death by drink driving is worse than 'cold blooded murder'.
So that makes it better?
That's some fucked up logic.
It's not as fucked up as having any argument pro-drink driving.
In cold blooded murder, you know who you are going to kill, and it is all planned out, I didn't say I approved of this. My original point was that killing someone driving uti is as serious a crime as murder.
Killing someone whilst drink driving is far worse in my opinion because the killer hasn't got a fucking clue who he is going to kill/maim/injure, in fact he doesn't give a shit, and that for me is the most irresponsible thing a human can do - let his actions get so out of control that other people get hurt as a result, and to add insult to injury, not give a shit about the consequences, especially when it's so easy to leave the car at home.
Who knows if the landdrover driver was drunk. But the point Im trying to make is that something beforehand he didnt consider - the possibility he might kill someone - and now someone else is paying the price.
The fact he hasn't come forward just goes to show he or she still isnt very bothered.
Who has been taking a 'pro-drink driving' stance?
So to cause death wihtout any malice or premeditation is worse than murder, which requires malicious intent?
You're a loon.
Yeah its irresponsable and extremely dangerous. Plus it endangers innocent peoples lives. I don't think it should be played down at all. But it would be interesting in a controlled environment.
When I drove my moped after a half pint of bitter (about about 4% vol.) i was fully in control of it and i drove on un-pedestrianised (?) roads. I would never drink anything if any other people than myself were involved, if i was driving in a housing estate or in a car.
I'm really upset to hear these horrible stories and to anyone affected by drink driving I'm really sorry.
Though I stick by my initial opinion, if you want to do it, alone and no one near, its a great way to reduce the moron population.
True. Unfortunately other morons outside the controlled area copy the "sport" and kill other people in the process.
why is it taken differently than any other 'exteme' sport that people partake in for fun
i persoanlly think it would be great fun, as long as you're strapped in ok it'd be good craic
people are so stuck up :chin:
Yes
morons.
That's right. I quite often see people banger racing round our local area. :rolleyes:
If you want to partake in a risky activity or sport it doesn't make you a moron.
Oh that's right, i forgot, noone street races do they? And encouraging people to race cars in a drunken state around a track would in no way be a contradictory message to anti drink-drive campaigns either.
Hmm.
whats street racing got to do with driving around drunk in a safe location
so, although you previously posted in the thread, you've still managed to forgot the whole discussion ?
Do you think you could read the posts and then come up with a different question that I've not already answered?
As have you, it appears.
The thread started out as some guy saying how driving your motorcycle drunk is fun and should be a sport, mist quoted somebody who said taking part in a risky sport does not make you a moron. I've metioned that drunk driving and the thought this guy has come up with is moronic. i then questioned since when did drunk driving become a sport.
oh my list is full
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it doesn't say that when i read it..
.. it ws more along thelines of making a vehicle safe, then attempting to drive drunk
It doesn't make you a moron to want to do these it just means you're competitive and have found something you enjoy and agree to the risks...
You do see ppl racing on the streets sometimes, if you think this is because theyre copying professional sports then maybe youre a little misguided... Not everyone does something because the other person did it...
Also the thread starter siad hed had half a pint and was feeling a little innebriated, he wasnt doing anything wrong ... Stressed / tired / distracted people coming home from work are much more of a danger.. or maybe nervous drivers.
All this is NOT to say drink driving is good... but as said before it would be fun to do / watch under controlled conditions (this menas the people agree to it, no lives are at risk etcetc)
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Of course not *everyone* does something because someone else does. But some people do. Which is the problem.
F1, rockclimbing and even boxing to some extent are sports practised by professionals with a high degree of technical skill involved. This sounds like the whole concept is to "get pissed and drive a car to see what amusing stuff happens", there's no degree of skill, no real reason to do it, and nothing to be proud of in terms of achievement. It's just bollocks for the sake of it, and not really a sport at all.
pretty damn funny though :cool:
Depends what you find amusing I guess.
Maybe we should ban rock climbing incase little Johnny decides to climb some cliffs.
It is good fun, When we were younger we would hare around my mates field in his old mans bangers after having a few drinks. We used to don motor cross gear and trail a bonnet behind one of the cars whilst another stood on it. Funny as fuck.
Yeah, the problem is that too many people do that on a public road. Which isn't funny as fuck, not when it wipes out the family of four coming the other way.
People who get into their cars under the influence of drugs or drink are vermin of the highest order, and should be punished accordingly. People who street race are vermin who should be punished accordingly. The twats who speed in urban areas should have their fines increased tenfold.
Boring, but safer.
I totally agree.
I don't see how getting a car with alcohol in the system can be justfied let alone 'fun'
Exactly... this is what the thread starter was on about, not getting wasted and racing round on the roads lol..
anyway i think this thread has exhausted itself
Well nobody here is advocating the driving of car on the road whilst over the alcohol limit.