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That is selling your labour.
Yes, they do. Which do you think do it more?
That or his desite to control everyaspect of our lives got the better of him, and this was the first step to controlling what goes on in the bedroom
personally, I know more male than female (my social group contains a roughly equal proportion of both); but I agree that this is likely to be unrepresentative - as a group straight men + lesbians have far greater spending power than gay men and straight women.
Well if you want to get into it, I object to my labour being commodified, yes. But that's another thread.
Sex is different. It just is.
All the people involved in the sex industry that I've known have either been deeply hurt people before they went into it or came out deeply damaged. Try asking a prostitute what her opinion of men is and sexual relationships.
How do you stand on models?
How can one be degrading and the other not?
On their ribcage. You?
I think much the same of the armed forces. But that hasn't been my experience - but perhaps the people I know are from the higher end of the profession
opinion of men, or customers? The women I know seem to have a normal attitude to men, and a reasonable view of sexual relationships. But then you may disagree with what I consider to be a healthy view of sex.
Paying someone to hang wall paper degrading, being a decorator is a skilled trade.
Paying someone to put your wallpaper up is degrading? Eh?
You've completely lost me.
You're comparing firefighting with selling sex?
I think the same of the armed forces too, but thats another thread.
As I said - all the women I've known in the sex industry (from telephone sex line operators to strippers to prostitutes) have all felt degraged by the experience.
You think that hanging wall paper is degrading. That. I don't understand that.
well yes, anyone I know in the service industries (call center script monkeys, on site engineers, barmen) feels degraded by the experience.
Everyone finds performance reviews to be degrading.
You've totally lost me. Again.
I'd agree with you that a lot of jobs and what we have to go through can be degrading. That's what happens when you have an economic system that treats peopel as commodity objects rather than subjective beings. But sex is different. Sex is how people communicate their love for each other, their passion. It does not fulfil the same role as hanging wallpaper. Its absurd to even suggest it does.
*edited to remove personal information about a 3rd party*
How odd.
And I never suggested it was.
I did suggest risking your life to save anothers was like sex. - in that some people would only do it for thosesd they loved, some for their friends, and some would do it as a career
Sex is part of love.
yes you did.
How odd.
because you clearly failed to follow it, I will try to keep it simple for you:
A decorator is a skilled craftsman.
Decorating is a respected trade.
That someone considers the decorator competant enough they will pay them to hang paper enhances the status of the decorator.
I consider being unable to hang wallpaper degrading.
therefore, when someone pays a decorator to hang paper, the customer is degraded in my eyes, and the decorator is enhanced. this is in response to your question "How can one be degrading and the other not?"
I'm sorry it all went above your head
I've had plenty of one night stands thanks. Thats part of it - the older I get, the more I think that shagging around is a very empty way to live your life.
You're comparing decoration to prostitution however indirectly and I find it quite bizarre that you find paying a decorator degrading.
Yep. Someone who thinks paying a decorator is degrading is obviously using some definition of degrading known only to themselves. Bizarre.
it being a service performed by one person at the behest of another for monetary reward, I suppose so. A don't think you can deny that comparisson. But I have not compared it in the way you are failing to imply.
2: To lower in dignity; dishonor or disgrace.
I was brought up to believe one should be able to wash, cook and clean oneself, service ones own car, and hang ones own wallpaper and shelves. To fail in any of these areas of self-reliance would lower my sense of dignity, and lead to me feeling degraded; and by projection anyone paying a decorator simply to hang wall paper.
Allowing you to illustrate the point that what one person finds degrading, another wouldn't. Thank you
Now you're comparing sex to solving a puzzle. You just get weirder and weirder.
Now you're saying sex is a "service". You really are quite an odd chap.
Are you really telling me that not being able to hang your own wallpaper is the same as selling your body to someone else? You got BIG problems.