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I'm not sure who this is aimed at.
but if i don't work for an organisation such as yours how can i possibly know all the stats and figures? i base my opinions on what i know, what i see and what i'm told. that's all i can do. unless i want to sit and read the stats. it won't just be me who feels this way about (stereotypically) quite a few homeless people - i should think many people would've agreed with me and i could see why that would annoy you but to have just me voice my opinion and you react in such a way, you'd think you thought i was the only person with views such as mine.
it was aimed at this post. If someone wannts to apologise for their opinion or offensiveness it's plain silly if they still actually feel and think the things that were offensive.
Nah that's just the way he is.
He calls Morocon Roll a cunt all the time and MR is the most respected in this place.
no, i said i was sorry i offended him.
not sorry i said what i said.
I didn't get this one? Are you refering to me? or blagsta?- I hope as Katralla is a guuurrrlll :chin:
You base your opinions on fear, ignorance and having a comfortable lifestyle and not being able to think that a lot of people actually have a pretty raw deal from this society. Its your reactionary position that I find offensive. The fact that you "base opinions on what i know, what i see and what i'm told" - the fact that actually, you don't think it through, don't attempt to find out, don't attempt to see life from a different pov. Anyone different to you is scary, dangerous, lazy. That sort of thinking fucks me off.
tbf, mr also calls me a cunt
this is the sort of attitude I'm talking about
yeah, Blaggy shouldn't swear so much, but lucifer, you were chatting horrible bigoted shit. And that's the end of it.
When you have to professionally deal with these people, and try and help them, then you suddenly start to get another attitude on life. I work with the homeless, the alcoholics, the heroin addicts, because they are the ones who commit the crime to get by.
It is painful seeing the same people with the same addictions in the office every day, day in and day out.
Do you not think its reached a certain level where these people ghave to go out and deliberately commit criminal offences just so that they can have a roof over their head in December? Homeless people with mental and drug abuse issues get subject to ASBOs because they are "a nuisance", and don't you think its a fucking disgrace that the only way they can get a roof is by deliberately breaching it and getting a bed in prison?
Homeless hostels boot people out if they are drunk or have drug addictions. These are the most vulnerable people, and council hostels can't and won't deal with them.
Luicifer, much as ths swearing isn't desirable, your opinions on this thread have been hopelessly bigoted, and really quite offensive. I don't blame you, its so easy to believe in the bogeyman.
Until you deal with these people day in and day out its easy to believe the press. But they are people just like the rest of us, and there is always, for me, a bit of "but for the grace of God go I".
why should i fear something? i know many people in life have a raw deal, i know and have already said i've had a comfortable lifestyle. i appreciate that. and i appreciate that there are plenty of people who are worse off than me.
I was reffering to blagstas post. He's right, people make too many assumptions based on subjective experiences, it's a bit like saying "blacks are animals and should be sent back to Africa because my mate got hit by a black last night"
Yes blagsta, that's because you are a cunt.
But have you not changed your stance from the origonal post? Surely you now think differently from you did then?
but that's my point i made in another post. i don't deal with these people professionally, only a small % of the population do.
Even when those of us who work with these people all the time suggest that you are looking at it from the wrong end of the stick?
Oh if only life were as easy as "pull your socks up and get a job, lazy fecker".
changing your thinking some what.
yes, i have read some stuff i didn't know. yes, i assumed help was out there if they wanted it and yes i have realised that that isn't always the case. but how would i know the help wasn't there if i didn't need to seek it? i can't help that, can i.
i accept that perhaps i did stereotype that all homeless people could do something about their situation and yes, i was wrong to do this.
I don't know, you tell me (although I could go off on one about "othering", "splitting", "projection" and other stuff from psychoanalysis, but I think it might confuse matters). However, you (and others on this thread) do seem to be scared by homeless people. Maybe its normal in some way - we project our fears into others so we don't have to worry about the possibility of being homeless (oops, I went into psychoanalyis).
But you don't though. If you did, you wouldn't come out with the crap that you have.
I'm comfortable with my cuntishness, thanks.
I've only been working in the drugs field for 2 1/2 years. However, I didn't have your opinions when I was your age.
but i do empathise. i feel sorry for them that they're in that situation. but i also think sometimes there is a way out and yes, this post has made me realise that the help isn't that readily available.
well that's fair enough, we all have differing opinions on things don't we. doesn't matter about my age.
Empathising and "feeling sorry" aren't the same thing. Not by a long shot.
Yes, sometimes there is a way out. And yes, people do have to be ready to sort their lives out. But its way more complex than you seem to think.
But with even the slightest thought you would have realised that it isn't a case of "get help, get a job, lazy sod".
I haven't been working in the criminal law for long, I won't be working in it for much longer, but I knew before what the crack was. Sure, working in this field opens some eyes, but still...
If there's a way out then there's a way in, don't you think the experiences that got them into the situation in the first place will effect their ability to get out, the fact that there's no help readily available is a hinderence alright but it's more than just that.
yeah, we do have differing opinions. but maybe basing your opinions on some knowledge rather than kneejerk reactionary bullshit might be an idea? I dunno where you live, but why don't you volunteer at a homeless shelter over Xmas? It might surprise you.
i've done things for charity, i do realise there are people worse off than me believe it or not. and while this thread seems to have made me look ignorant about my attitudes about homeless people, i am not an ignorant person. i'll admit i lack knowledge about the issue but i'm sure i'm not alone in this. i don't know of any homeless shelters in my area but in my 3rd year at uni was hoping to do some volunteer work. would be something to consider, i guess.
However, whilst I sympathise with Blagsta and the others who present the alternative view, personal abuse is never acceptable. So what if she's a pampered middle class Tory? If you want people to change their minds on an issue about which you are accusing them of ignorance, rational argument is the most effective means. I certainly accept that I have learnt about drugs issues on here, and have modified my own views on many other issues not through being told that I'm a wally, but through debating (yes, passionately) with others with different views.
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