David Myatt

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Anyone heard of this guy? The man who provided the ideological basis for C18, twice spending time in jail for political violence, and now a self-proclaimed muslim considered to be a "scholar" of Islam by many of its followers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Myatt


http://www.geocities.com/davidmyatt/


You really couldn't make it up.

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There are parallels between Islamism* and fascism, so its not that surprising.


*note - Islamism, not Islam.

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How are you defining 'Islamism'?

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Blagsta wrote:

There are parallels between Islamism* and fascism, so its not that surprising.


*note - Islamism, not Islam.

Yep, even the BNP don't really oppose Islam as they make out, although i was meaning more the overall picture of the guy's life - highly bizarre.

What i find quite disturbing is the irrationality which underpins everything he 'believes' - despite the obviously formindable intellect he possesses. Absurd.

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Kentish wrote:

How are you defining 'Islamism'?

Islamism

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Nazi, fundamentalist Muslim, advocate of suicide bombs. He seems more like somebody’s caricature; an embodiment of just about everything society perceives as evil.

Although hopefully very bad things come his way, someone as odious as him really does deserve some kind of comeuppance.

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I can use Wikipedia too. I was wondering what you meant by Islamism.

The term is a bit misleading because if it is not mainstream Islam, it shouldn't really be linked with that religion. If it is mainstream Islam, it should be called Islam.

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Kentish wrote:

I can use Wikipedia too. I was wondering what you meant by Islamism.

The term is a bit misleading because if it is not mainstream Islam, it shouldn't really be linked with that religion. If it is mainstream Islam, it should be called Islam.

I suppose you could draw a parallel with Christians who accept Church and State as separate and those who don't.

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Kentish wrote:

I can use Wikipedia too. I was wondering what you meant by Islamism.

The term is a bit misleading because if it is not mainstream Islam, it shouldn't really be linked with that religion. If it is mainstream Islam, it should be called Islam.

Yes, that's why made the distinction brainiac.

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To be honest, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia to tell me the time.

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Why? and what source would you trust?

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Blagsta wrote:

Yes, that's why made the distinction brainiac.

But Islamism = Islam to the man on the street.

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Yes, which is why I drew the distinction.

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I know. I can read. I ask how you define Islamism precisely because it is used interchangably with Islam, and Muslim leaders are always brought in by the media to condemn atrocities carried out by 'Islamists'. If it isn't Islam, we should be clear about what it is. That's all.

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Kentish wrote:

But Islamism = Islam to the man on the street.

*looks on in utter disbelief*

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Spliffie wrote:

*looks on in utter disbelief*

Do you disagree?

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Although it depends what you mean by "the man in the street".

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Kentish wrote:

Do you disagree?

Words fail me. They truly do.

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Blagsta wrote:

Although it depends what you mean by "the man in the street".

Fair point. The general understanding of Islam is poor and the distinction between Islam the religion and Islamism the politics is not appreciated by the vast majority of the British public, I'd wager.

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Kentish wrote:

Fair point. The general understanding of Islam is poor and the distinction between Islam the religion and Islamism the politics is not appreciated by the vast majority of the British public, I'd wager.

the general understanding of christianity is poor as well ...as you recently demonstrated.

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morrocan roll wrote:

the general understanding of christianity is poor as well ...as you recently demonstrated.

What do you mean?

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Kentish wrote:

What do you mean?

well you seem to believe that christians teach people that xmas day is jesus birthday ...and jesus is a big fat bloke with a beard and his apostles are midgets who help him down the chimney. or you seem to think that it doesn't matter ...

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morrocan roll wrote:

well you seem to believe that christians teach people that xmas day is jesus birthday ...and jesus is a big fat bloke with a beard and his apostles are midgets who help him down the chimney. or you seem to think that it doesn't matter ...

What on earth are you on about?

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Kentish wrote:

What on earth are you on about?

i realy can't be arsed to dig up the other thread but ...it was meant a bit tongue in cheek.

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morrocan roll wrote:

i realy can't be arsed to dig up the other thread but ...it was meant a bit tongue in cheek.

I know, but don't libel me please. However amusing you think it is.

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I think you actually need a reputation to be libelled...

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Blagsta wrote:

I think you actually need a reputation to be libelled...