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yes as long as if they allow smokers they have to have some form of ventilation
You are very quick to have a go at corporations etc when their actions infringe on workers rights etc
Yet you seem hostile to a measure that will support workers rights by guaranteeing those who work in pubs/clubs/restaurants etc a healthier environment to work in.
Workers rights should be the only justification anyone needs to support a ban on smoking........
if one of the pubs on the high street wants to be a grotty nicotine stained dive ...then a none smoker won't go in there ...and wouldn't dream of applying for a job there.
it's very simple ...let the public and the landlords make these decisions.
or has all decision making now been removed from the general public?
Welcome to New Britain.
To say that wokers have a free choice in where the work is simply wrong
Surely your beloved market can provide for everyone on this?
Careful, that's a dangerously Marxist pov
no one has total freedom as to where they work and never will.
my wife ...would never dream of working in a strip joint ...she thinks they are sleazy ...so she wouldn't go for the interview.
you ...may well not be cut out for bricklaying or book keeping.
if you wish to work in a food none smoking pub ...fine ...if you don't wish to work in one of my favourite pubs in the land ...full of farmers and labourers who make pigs smell sweet ...then don't apply.
i'm not going to apply to be a brain surgeon now am i?
even though i have the right.
if a smelly smokers pub ...start finding it hard to find staff and customers ...guess what happens next?
:rolleyes:
You agree then, it seems you haven't in the past?
Not being qualified is a completely different issue and it should not be left until a pub is forced to do so, that is the whole point of introducing legislation.
No not evryone can get their ideal job, but why not make it easier for the many people that work in that industry?
Do you think that coalminers should be compensated for lung damage?
I agree with what? That people don't always have a choice in where they work?
but if an establishment wants no kids no foods and smoking ...then they should be left to make that business choice themselves.
yes i do think miners should be compensated.
left wing by the way ...when i was younger ...now ...disilusioned and just invested a lot of money ...where people are employed in waste management and control ...for the workers there are health risks.
Not up in jockland though
With imcompetant buffoons of the lowest political calabre such as Jack McConnel running our aesthetically grotesque parliament it's no wonder really. Textbook knee-jerk reaction to the "unhealthiest nation in europe" tag.
I've heard that there are loopholes of sorts which we can exploit up here - there's apparently a boozer in stirling which is planning to open up a separate room which is detached from the pub as a communal smoking area. Without alcohol being sold, it apparently will be legal.
And if all-smoking pubs were created workers can still choose to work in them- or if they are concerned about their health they can work in non-smoking pubs.
That's all any of us wants.
But when 80% of the population are being held to ransom by a tiny minority of people, then that is not giving the public the choice.
But as landlords can't afford to turn away 10-20% of their custom, the market will not provide for what most people want.
About 75% of people are in favour of the smoking ban. That, in the most base terms, is giving the public the choice.
IF I WISH TO OPEN A PUB THAT SELLS NO FOOD DOESN'T ALLOW KIDS AND IS PURELY FOR DRINKING AND SMOKING ...opps caps ...then that is MY business decision. why shouldn't i be allowed to make that decision?
if 80% of the population don't wish to work or drink there ...thats their choice.
off to the ash for a beer mate? sounds perfectly ok to me.
Should you be allowed to run a shipyard using asbestos if people were willing to work there?
You have a separate smoking room which you don't have to go through to get to the bar or the lavs. That's fine, everyone is happy.
I can have my beer and breathe and have a good night- you can have your beer, give yourself cancer and have a good night. Problem solved.
Most pubs won't become non-smoking, because there aren't many businesses who can afford to boot 15% of the clients out of the door.
loads of places are full of asbestos ...it's not a banned substance you know.
in fact i have people working for me removing the stuff.