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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    It's not unreasonable to say that you can never fully comprehend the real reasons why people use drugs until you've taken them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Links to Foamy's Cartoon - Drugs in your head

    He he that was quality :D

    lol not sure if i entirely 'agree' with everything but it was very funny. :thumb:
    i agree with most of it though, unless you're mum took drugs when she was pregnant with you, you're not born needing drugs. People make themselves need them.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    i agree with most of it though, unless you're mum took drugs when she was pregnant with you, you're not born needing drugs. People make themselves need them.

    And its virtually never a 'need' anyway, its a desire.
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Ballerina wrote:
    i agree with most of it though, unless you're mum took drugs when she was pregnant with you, you're not born needing drugs. People make themselves need them.

    I don't need drugs thank you.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    what i mean is, people take them, then more than likely get addicted - so they think they need them
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hobbs wrote:
    but they wouldn't be identical then would they... ;)

    quite an interesting thread

    i think to say that, unless you have tried something you have no understanding of it, is very naive.

    I have never used crack, but having spent time with people who have i have an understanding of it, which is enough to base most of my subjectivly objective decisions about crack on.

    I remember several occasions when "anti" drug posters have posted here and have ended up being "ganged up on" and flamed (rightly or wrongly).

    going back to the original post; in my experience and in my opinion, people are scared of illegal drugs and the illegal drug culture due to the common portrayal (media/schools/ect) of them - this will cloud any judgement they might make. Also, non-drug users tend not to see the hypocrisy of saying legal drugs are ok and illegal ones aren't.

    Okay you have an understanding but you will never fully understand what a crack addict is going through.....

    Lets say someone close to you loses someone dear to them, you would be there and yes you would have an understanding of how they are feeling but unless you too had lost someone dear to you, you wouldn't know how that felt would you..........

    Lets say someone you know breaks up with their partner and you for example have never been in a relationship, yes, you would feel for that person and be compassionate and again have an understanding but once again wouldn't fully understand what that person was going through....

    These are examples that are not associated with drugs but relevant all the same..... :crazyeyes

    I'll be waiting for your reply especially Bong.... :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    what i mean is, people take them, then more than likely get addicted - so they think they need them

    They may think they need them, but most dont, only alcoholics and those addicted to benzo or barbs could be said to 'need' the drugs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Okay you have an understanding but you will never fully understand what a crack addict is going through.....

    So all law and policy makers should become crack addicts so they know what its like?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    So all law and policy makers should become crack addicts so they know what its like?

    Why not!? ;) Those stiffs in Parliament need something to chill themselves out! They always look so angry and all have red heads!

    They should all just get on it! lol It would be much better viewing if all those in the house of Parliament were shocking out! I'm raving i'm raving! :cool:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why not!? ;) Those stiffs in Parliament need something to chill themselves out! They always look so angry and all have red heads!

    And the whole House smoking lots of rocks would calm them down?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    And the whole House smoking lots of rocks would calm them down?

    Jezz your like a thorn in my side!

    Let me guess.... middle class student!??
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    JadedJaded Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
    Okay you have an understanding but you will never fully understand what a crack addict is going through.....

    Conversely, those who take drugs lose perspective on what makes non-drug takers so concerned about drug use...

    And there is a difference between empathising and understanding, which is a distinction not apparent in your opinion...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Let me guess.... middle class student!??

    Its been many many years since I was a student.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    Its been many many years since I was a student.

    Oh sorry, so..... middle class old pensioner then...... :D
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Middle aged not middle class.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LadyJade wrote:
    Conversely, those who take drugs lose perspective on what makes non-drug takers so concerned about drug use...

    And there is a difference between empathising and understanding, which is a distinction not apparent in your opinion...

    So your saying that non-drug users are superior because they look at non-drug users and pity them, as the drug users have lost all perspective….. and what? so that makes them less intelligent??

    And errr………. I think you will find that empathising and understanding mean the same thing sweetheart!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And errr………. I think you will find that empathising and understanding mean the same thing sweetheart!

    So you could empathise with a complex mathematical problem?
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    JadedJaded Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
    I don't think there is a case for moral superiority in users or non users. They are merely different perspectives, with an equal lack of communication on both sides. I didn't say anything about that being related to intellegence.

    But I believe that to argue that you have to take drugs to legislate or have an understanding of drug use and abuse is self defeating. Fact is, most of the population doesn't use illegal drugs, so all we can hope is that non users are prepared to listen to logical arguments advocating sympathetic legislation.

    To empathise is to understand emotionally or directly identify with - putting yourself in somone elses shoes. To understand is to intellectually and logically comprehend, without having to experience it. Although you are right, the two are used interchangeably.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    what i mean is, people take them, then more than likely get addicted - so they think they need them

    No, you're wrong and completely off track. Addicts are a minority.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If you look in a thesaurus, you will find they come under the same category of words, empathise can mean to feel sorry for or to identify with, to relate to or to understand.

    I am not saying that if you dont take drugs, you have no understanding whatsoever, that would be rediculous, but if you have taken drugs before or do take drugs, then you would have a better understand, would you not?? i guess it is a grey area, i take drugs very rarely tbh and its not something i want in my life forever, for example if i had children and i only really do it when its around me, peer pressure perhaps but then if i really didnt want to do something i wouldn't............ so who knows hey!

    This thread has gone way off the original post hummmmm??!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but your arguement proceeds under the assumption that there is such a thing as true objective understanding, instead of multifaceted forms thereof.

    oh and how does being a middle class student relate to this?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    but your arguement proceeds under the assumption that there is such a thing as true objective understanding, instead of multifaceted forms thereof.

    oh and how does being a middle class student relate to this?

    Why? are you a middle class student?
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    JadedJaded Posts: 2,682 Boards Guru
    This thread has gone way off the original post hummmmm??!
    On the contrary, I think it exemplifies it ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    No, you're wrong and completely off track. Addicts are a minority.
    whats the point in taking them if you're not addicted?
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    SkiveSkive Posts: 15,286 Skive's The Limit
    Ballerina wrote:
    whats the point in taking them if you're not addicted?

    They're fun.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Damn right they're fun :d imo the difference with drugs takers is some are users and some are abusers. its the same with anything. i think addiction signifies a loss of control. most people who take drugs can say no if they want to. jus often we dont :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    whats the point in taking them if you're not addicted?

    Errr...the same reason people drink alcohol, or do anything they enjoy. Dancing, watching tv, reading, socialising...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    there doesn't seem to be a yawn smiley so i actualy had to type in this thread. lol.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    whats the point in taking them if you're not addicted?

    Because they can be fun, interesting, enlightening, wonderful, relaxing, amusing....etc.

    Of course they can be other things too.

    People have always used intoxicants and they always will, from kids spinning round really fast in the playground to seedy opium dens, its human nature.
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